TWLO Q2 2017 results

Here are the results:

https://investors.twilio.com/news/all-news/press-release-det…

Revenue was $95.87M vs guidance of $87.5M

Added 2735 new customers. Up 6.7% sequentially and up 41% y/y.

Gross margins still 56%.

OpEx as a percentage of revenue dropped sequentially from 74% to 63%. That’s a pretty significant move for one quarter. The y/y change was 73% to 63%. If this can be maintained and further improved, it’s evidence of scaling.

Base revenue (the recurring kind) was $87.6M up 55.3% y/y. The 1YR base revenue growth rate is 65%.

Market seems to like the report as the stock is up 11% after hours.

Conference call starts at 2pm PDT (in about 30 minutes).

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Base revenue (the recurring kind) was $87.6M up 55.3% y/y. The 1YR base revenue growth rate is 65%.

Note that revenue from Uber was flat year over year which means that revenue from the rest of the business is growing even fast than reported in the overall figures.

Chris

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Nice pop in after hours…but they do guide a little light don’t they??

Take $92 million guidance vs 2016 quarter at $72 million…gives them just a 28% YoY growth.

Did they explain that in the conference call?

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Nice pop in after hours…but they do guide a little light don’t they??

Take $92 million guidance vs 2016 quarter at $72 million…gives them just a 28% YoY growth.

Did they explain that in the conference call?

Yes. They said they guide conservatively and strive to beat their guidance. They also said that they expect their Uber business to decline more in Q3 than what they saw in Q2…this is what they expected previously so it’s not new news to them.

Yes. They said they guide conservatively and strive to beat their guidance. They also said that they expect their Uber business to decline more in Q3 than what they saw in Q2…this is what they expected previously so it’s not new news to them.

But it is news to us right?

To maintain their 55% YoY revenue growth, they would need to surprise by 21% above guidance. Have they done that before and how often?

27% YoY growth?!? - guidance is suppose to give us a good faith estimate of the projected numbers. The farther out you go, the more conservative you become. Here we are just looking out one quarter. Here, the company already knows its recurring revenue clients (much of it is deferred revenue), so it already has a base to begin its estimates.

The company also knows the historical rate of spending increase for particular types of clients.

Surprisingly the market did not bomb again based upon this growth projection.

Other than the Uber issue, which I think is more qualitative in respect to the UBER CAP than a numbers issue that Twilio could not make up with other volume (but evidencing that there is a limit to how big a company will get using its service before it looks elsewhere - although WhatsApp may be that one exception given it philosophy of minimalism internally) the other issue I had with Twilio was declining revenue growth.

To my mind, if Twilio is anywhere in the ballpark with their projected revenue growth that is a disaster for a company valued as it is, and for the TAM for Twilio given that revenue growth slowed down so precipitously, so quickly, with such a low base of revenues.

It signifies either some barrier to clients moving to the next step, or simply this market is not growing as fast as we were told, or Twilio is not picking up as much business as it use to and somebody else is.

One can only speculate. But even if they beat by 20%, that is still only 32% growth. Is there a reason given for why revenue growth has been halved so quickly?

Tinker

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To maintain their 55% YoY revenue growth, they would need to surprise by 21% above guidance. Have they done that before and how often?

I would back out the Uber business. This quarter had zero y/y Uber revenue growth which reduced their growth number. Next quarter they will have negative Uber revenue growth. I think the Uber thing is an anomaly so to understand how the business is really growing you will need to remove Uber revenue.

They talked a lot about Uber, margins, growth, guidance so if you are an owner of TWLO or might become one then read the call transcript.

Chris

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Active Customer Accounts rose to 43,431 as of June 30,2017 vs 30,780 as of June 30, 2016.

Rob

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I won’t. One would think, given 43,000 active accounts (doesn’t mean much as I think they define it as $1 or $5 spend per quarter) that one account would not cause growth to be cut in half.

This is a market that is projected to have something like 60% compounded growth through 2022 or whatever (just paraphrasing from memory, but a very rapid growth market). Tesla is the market leader. No question there.

The reduction in growth of one client has this dramatic of an affect on Twilio in a market growing this fast?!?

Yes, finding the oath rate outside of Uber will be interesting. But it is like MULE when 20% of their revenues are 0% gross margins. You cannot really count that as revenues that count, even though they do.

Anyway, I am just skeptical here. I would expect the rest of their business to step up and start to make up for the loss of Uber. Uber business is just going to decline more over the coming quarters. The rest of the business needs to make up for it. It is telling if the rest of the business cannot do so. I of course can be wrong, but in a market growing this fast (as projections show) for Twilio to grow so far below the projected market growth is concerning.

That is an issue that needs to be addressed I think, but may be beyond us at this time to look at.

Tinker

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Btw when I get my gumption up like this (I really don’t like 27% revenue growth) but the market reacts exactly the opposite, most likely the market is right and I am wrong.

Nevertheless, worth examining this rather abrupt slow down of revenues, and how other customers cannot make up for the gradual slow down of Uber.

Uber set a number at which point it becomes cost effective to diversify away from Twilio. Worse than this, it set a precedent that as a customer there is no need to standardize on Twilio. It legitimized some of the competition.

This is not like Intel or Nvidia vs. AMD where AMD is the only real second source, and always remains a distinct minority of marketshare. Here Uber is not just second sourcing but resourcing.

The market nevertheless is up about 16% on the day. I cannot argue against that. I cannot say the market is wrong. It just goes to show how difficult it is to explain how the market moves post earnings. Nvidia may crash despite having a blow out quarter, if the quarter is not good enough.

Whereas Twilio reporting some disturbing growth rates skyrockets because the market sees that there is life post-Uber despite not real promising forward projections.

I lay odds the market is more correct than my concerns. But is still a good place to investigate.

Tinker

Tinker,

Your analysis is sound, thanks.
We’ll see if the market sustains its current faith in TWLO. I’m skeptical, too

HP (short Jan 2018 25 puts and Jan 2018 40 calls)

One would think, given 43,000 active accounts (doesn’t mean much as I think they define it as $1 or $5 spend per quarter) that one account would not cause growth to be cut in half.

Yes, they count a customer an active account if they spend at least $5 in the last month of the quarter. Agreed this is a low bar but we have enough info to look at other metrics. We can calculate at average recurring revenue per active customer. Here are the figures for the past


 $1,339 
 $1,446 
 $1,541 
 $1,716 
 $1,738 
 $1,832 
 $1,860 
 $2,054 
 $1,981 
 $2,017

The trend looks like it’s going in the right direction. Even with their biggest customer cutting back it looks somewhat stable, and it should again improve in 2018 when Uber’s cuts are done, Uber’s business to TWLO begins to grow again, and the other customers make up a larger and larger portion of revenue each successive quarter.

To say that their growth has been cut in been cut in half is simply not true. First, you’re looking at guidance which will most likely be exceeded. Second, you should be looking at base revenue (the recurring revenue growth) not total revenue growth. Here is recurring revenue growth. Here is year over year base revenue growth for the past 5 quarters:


Q2'16    83.7%
Q3'16    74.7%
Q4'16    72.9%
Q1'17    61.8%
Q2'17    55.3%

It grew 55% in spite of their largest customer being flat y/y. If Uber is removed the recurring revenue grew 65%.

The reduction in growth of one client has this dramatic of an affect on Twilio in a market growing this fast?!?

Yes, finding the oath rate outside of Uber will be interesting. But it is like MULE when 20% of their revenues are 0% gross margins. You cannot really count that as revenues that count, even though they do.

The ex-Uber recurring revenue growth is 65% as stated above. How is this in any way like MULE??? The Uber revenue has nice margins. So how big is the Uber business to TWLO?


            Total Rev      Uber Rev          % of total
6/30/16     $64.5M          $8.4M            13%
3/31/17     $87.4M         $10.5M            12%
6/30/17     $95.9M          $8.6M             9%

Anyway, I am just skeptical here. I would expect the rest of their business to step up and start to make up for the loss of Uber. Uber business is just going to decline more over the coming quarters. The rest of the business needs to make up for it. It is telling if the rest of the business cannot do so. I of course can be wrong, but in a market growing this fast (as projections show) for Twilio to grow so far below the projected market growth is concerning.

When looking at the numbers above, I really don’t see what you’re seeing. Uber revenue was essentially flat and total revenue was up only on non-Uber customers. So revenue for non-Uber business was up 55.6%. Also, Dollar-based net expansion rate was 131% with Uber included and 137% without Uber considered. Sure seems to me like the rest of the customers are continue to use and spend on TWLO more each quarter.

Here’s some additional commentary on Uber made during the earnings call:

”Before turning it over to your question, I did want to spend a moment discussing Uber’s impact to our guidance. The situation has played out largely as we expected it as we outlined on the last call. We did lose some of the lower value book messaging used cases and readjusted pricing in other areas based on their rapidly growing volumes. Most of these changes are implemented in the latter part of Q2 and are therefore partially reflected in this quarter’s results.
Embedded in our third quarter guidance is a full quarter of impact of these changes. This will translate into a larger sequential decline in revenue from Uber in Q3 than what occurred in the second quarter.
We currently forecast a more modest sequential decline in the fourth quarter. This revenue forecast is consistent with our prior expectations and guidance. We expect that Uber will remain a significant customer for us going forward as we partner with them to support their needs globally for both existing and new initiatives.”

Here are some other interesting nuggets from the call:

• New feature or new product released every 3.5 days
• Number of Twilio developers grew from 1 million a year ago to 1.6 million now

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