US Biparisan Regime Change Foreign Policy & Current Israel-Iran War

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In the last 25 years, in the name of spreading democracy and freedom, the U.S. completely destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Mali, Syria, Iraq again, Yemen and major parts of Pakistan and Ukraine, killing and getting killed upwards of four million people, displacing 40 million more and spreading terrorism and chaos in reaction all across the Middle East, Central Asia, North and Eastern Africa and now Eastern Europe as well.

You noticed, right? That the US government has shown no interest in spreading democracy to Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, or Egypt – because they’re Washington’s allies. And that when the people vote wrong, like in Algeria, Georgia, Ukraine, Kyrgystan, Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine or Egypt – after they overthrew America’s last puppet dictator there – the U.S. will immediately move to intervene with a coup if necessary to protect what they consider to be their interests.

Liberty and democracy, nuthin’.
To say nothing about the PATRIOT Act & domestic spying the national does on private citizenry.

A new poll shows that a majority of Americans want President Donald Trump to engage in negotiations with Iran and do not want Washington to support Tel Aviv’s offensive war against the Islamic Republic.

The survey, conducted by YouGov following the unprovoked Israeli attack on Iran, found 60% of Americans do not want Trump to enter the newest conflict in the Middle East, compared to just 16% of voters who want Washington to aid Tel Aviv’s military operation.

Of course, It matter nothing to the government that wishes to pursue a course in violation of what the American voter wants.

Finally some action from Congress.

On Tuesday, Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and Ro Khanna (D-CA) introduced a bipartisan War Powers Resolution in an effort to prevent President Trump from going to war with Iran without authorization from Congress.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) introduced a similar War Powers Resolution in the Senate. Americans can contact their House Representative and Senators and urge them to join the efforts to prevent war with Iran.

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The U.S. intelligence agencies’ Annual Threat Assessment (ATA) is billed as an opportunity “for the American people to receive an unvarnished and unbiased account of the real and present dangers that our nation faces.”

That’s according to Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark), chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, who personally presided over a public hearing this year to hear its conclusions.

It’s too bad neither he nor almost any other senator who sits on the committee seemed to pay attention to it, if current discourse over the Israel-Iran war is anything to go by.

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Nor raised a finger against the brutal, repressive, juntas in Chile and Argentina, who paid lip service to being “good anti-Communists”, not to mention the brutal tyrant the US installed in Iran.

“Spreading democracy” has nothing to do with USian policy. It is narrative leveraged to win support for repugnant policies, just like the “we were victims on 9/11” narrative was leveraged.

Steve

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In fairness, it was Iran’s puppet accomplices that invaded and slaughtered dozens of Israeli citizens and kidnapped more, so the line of culpability extends past Hamas. Israel is understandably angry, and is lashing out.

I remember when the US was attacked, we decided we would go after somebody, anybody . And did. That didn’t work out so well, as I recall.

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If this was about the Oct 7 attacks, they sure took their sweet time getting around to focusing on them.

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Israel’s foreign policy is not entirely up to them, they have to consider the opinion of their major arms supplier, a policy that tends to shift on a four or eight year cycle.

But the actual start of the war was 632 CE.

The Captain

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Just wait for how long the next “2 weeks” will last…

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Neo Cons;"We’re Baaaccck!!

It’s a slam dunk case! We have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here. We’ll be greeted as liberators. Islam is a religion of peace. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

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Obi-wan (i think) said only the Sith speak in such absolutes.

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I was listening to an anti regime Iranian talk about the war. He was in favor of the Israeli attacks but against the bunker-busting bombing of the deeply buried site worried about the radioactive contamination that could happen. Makes sense.

Some time ago I heard about an Israeli operation where they broke through the doors to such a deep bunker and proceeded to destroy it without the use of bunker-busting munitions.

The Captain

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Yes. But let us not be overly parsimonious in giving “credits”, as this 1098 thing made a big difference as well:

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Religion has lots of dates but it is not an exact science. It’s not even a science. You pick your date, I’ll pick mine, and we’ll both live happily ever after. :winking_face_with_tongue:

I wonder what the peace mongers would be saying had they experienced WWII first hand which brings up another highly relevant date, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The Biblical Jews alternated between being warriors and being victims. The warrior – trouble maker – Jews were expelled from their homeland by the Romans and became victims until the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (as far as I know) where there were serious discussions about resistance. The older folks voted for victimhood while the young ones said, “Never Again!” Would this be a better date than the Crusade?

Look it up, it’s an important date in history.

The Captain

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Agreed across the board, Captain. For the heck of it, here is another possible date: 425 AD, Himyar:

One of my childhood friends was the son of Warsaw ghetto survivors who had fled to the forest and fought. He was shy, but lordy when things came down he was a tough tough brave cookie, like his basically pacifist parents.

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Mebbe. My reading about the bunker busters is that they can penetrate about 200 feet. That jibes with what I’ve seen in documentaries and C-SPAN shows about various military weaponry.

The speculation is that Iran has its “inside the mountain” facilities at a depth of between 250 and 300 feet. Now certainly you could knock it off line or wreak havoc with delicate centerfuges, but I’m not sure that “radioactive contamination” is that big an issue given another 50-100 feet of solid earth between. The Natanz Zero Day exploits certainly sent radioactive gas all over the place in their centrifuge facilities and it didn’t contaminate the rest of the countryside (so far as we know.)

(I’m just down the road from Oak Ridge, which had its own radioactive contamination issues with centrifuges, leading it to be declared a SuperFund site, but nobody’s particularly worried about it around here, so far as I can tell. OK, “not worried” is a stretch, but there aren’t lots of people running around with their hair on fire over it.)

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If “we” have air superiority, an attack doesn’t need to be one and done. The Wiki article says about 20 GBU-57s have been built. That should be more than enough to turn the mountain into a crater, and everyone and everything in it, into puree.

Steve

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Interesting, which takes me further back to Solomon and the Queen of Sheba and the flourishing lands in Ethiopia and Yemen, whatever they were called back then. Westerners tend to stop at the Mediterranean and Mesopotamia, further south is mostly ignored. The arrival of black Ethiopian Jews to Israel is proof of Jewish influence further south.

Back in the 1950s the Ethiopian Ambassador to Venezuela stayed at my dad’s hotel, I must have been between 12 and 15. He was pitch black but he did not look like any black man I had ever seen, he looked like white people. Intrigued I went to his table at the restaurant and asked him to explain which he kindly did. My first lesson about Abyssinia.

The Captain

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Here’s maybe your first lesson about The Abyssinians! They’re a Jamaican roots reggae group founded in 1968. One of their most well known songs Satta Massagana includes some Amharic lyrics.

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