What a difference a day makes.....kissing it after all...China open to talks

China expressed openness to trade talks with the US on Wednesday, under certain conditions, even after the White House clarified that “China now faces up to a 245% tariff on imports to the United States.”

Michelle Lam, Greater China economist at Societe Generale SA, explained to Bloomberg that Beijing wants “respect, consistency and a point person” as focus grows on the trade war between the world’s two largest economies. Chinese state media also reiterated that China would ignore the “numbers game” of escalating duties.

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As they say on main street, “If I owe you a dollar you will chase me all over town. If I owe you a million dollars, you will kiss it royally”.

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Oh and the markets are in the red…all over again. The bloody kiss.

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A “JC” respect anyone? Ask the PM of Montenegro if he feels respected.

Steve

As they also say on the street, “How’s it feel to want”?

The only purpose of the tariffs that makes a lick of sense is stripping China of the trade surplus with the US.

Sometimes recessions come on quickly, like with the OPEC oil shock, or the 2008 housing fiasco, or the sudden appearance of Covid. Most times, though, it takes a while for the rock to work it’s way through the snake: it’s a little thing here, a mismatch there, some layoffs over here, a few more over there, and before you know it: you’re in a recession.

I went back and looked at the DOW from ‘99 to 2003. (Admittedly the Nas might have been better, but the DOW is a little more broad market. Anyway…)

It took a full four years of “red” before the market turned up. Sure, there were ups and downs along the way, but it was a long, slow slide before things brightened up.

I think here we’re watching the “red” closely because we’re attuned to it, and we’re expecting whatever we’re expecting to happen quickly. Adult onset ADHD or something, I dunno.

Anyway, absent some sort of massive “shock”, I expect this long slow grind to continue. We, and when I say “we” I mean the financial press, an entire generation of young traders, and us - we’ve been conditioned to expect “ever upwards”, coming off a full decade of prosperity after 2008, what with 0% interest rates helping it along for so long, the years between OPEC and the tech bubble were a lovely long stretch of niceness.

Historically it hasn’t been that way; recessions in the past have been much more frequent, sometimes deeper and harder to climb out of, and that was when the US had an economy the envy of the world and could do pretty much anything we wanted. Times are different.

Maybe there will be shock that scares traders and the rest out of the market: a big earthquake, China taking Taiwan, an assassination here or there; any number of things could qualify. But that said: we’re at the top of the bunny slope, and we have an extended ride down ahead of us. I think.

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This one’s special, we shouldn’t lump him in with the others.

Respect is reasonable request, but it’s unlikely they’ll get it. I was hoping they’d ask for TFG to do the Truffle Shuffle.

Same sort I worked for, from the bullying, to the delusions, and the demand that everyone toe the line, or suffer consequences. This one just has a bigger stage to strut on.

Steve

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Dear Steve,

Your bosses had nothing on this one. Nothing at all.

Agreed, this one has a much bigger hammer to beat people with. But the message is the same “shut up and do as you’re told”.

Steve