I was surprised about New Jersey Paul. I thought it was all factories and smokestacks and couldn’t believe all the farm land.
Andy
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0.4% have left last year. That is some 138k people out of around 39 million.
What are you talking about?
This is the problem with people deciding they have their narrative.
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You are just putting off admitting you are wrong.
The only thing that is losing a lot of people is the far right.
Re: NJ farm land.
Garden State. Excellent climate. Home of Campbell’s soup. Lots of potato fields. Ideal climate for tomatoes.
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Not recycled. Two things have occurred that have never happened before since California became a state.
- It has lost a seat in the House (relative population).
- It has lost population for three years in a row (absolute population).
DB2
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There is no doubt that housing costs are higher than most places, as are taxes. In other times it’s worth putting up with that because salaries are also high, and you can make more there than you can in any nearby climes.
When “work remote” happened a lot of smart cookies decided they could have the best of both worlds: high salaries and low cost of living, and they left. Some companies caught on and are now requiring in-person attendance at jobs, and/or adjusting salaries lower to compensate for the lower costs.
Even when they don’t, there are people who are finding that they like the lower stress environment, even at a cost of a few dollars in salary. None of this is a surprise. The numbers are so trifling, and the economy there so robust, it’s hard to see why anyone makes a big deal of this unless they are pushing a specific agenda. (Hint: they are pushing a specific agenda.)
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I moved out of there less than 2 years after Florio was elected and the destruction of a pretty good state began. And sure enough, it’s been downhill for NJ ever since.
But despite the agenda, when a state that has been growing for a century, and growing rapidly for decades, suddenly stops growing, it should raise questions about why that is happening.
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Are you assuming the growth has stopped?
I think 3 years from now this whole conversation will look very silly.
The pandemic changed things for a while. Yes people will work remotely but that does not mean CA wont resume its regular upward mobility.
Mississippi on the other hand? States R Down R Us?
Just give Mississippi that tax cut for the rich even if the state has not much of anyone rich.
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And I think we should be doing everything we can to push that agenda. The more progressives that leave blue enclaves like CA and NY, the more likely the presidency and congress will represent the majority view on issues like abortion and climate change. Democrats current hold on the senate and presidency could very likely be due to the movement of people from CA to AZ and NV. Perhaps an even larger diaspora of Californians to TX can turn that state blue.
And FL definitely needs a lot more New Yorkers to move south.
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It is the outnumbered conservatives in the blue states that bankroll the Mitch McConnells of this world in the red states. It is not like Kentucky can afford McConnell.
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Yet some will do anything to remain in the golden state. Though in doing so they may drive some to leave the state for other environs without such homelessness.
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Some Retailers are leaving Downtown San Francisco. Reminiscent of the 1970’s when downtown areas in US cities were abandoned due to crime.
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That is just Right wing talking points. If anyone just drove around the country you would see the same problem. The United States has a homeless problem. I was up in Montana last year and people were living under bridges. Unbelievable. That is when I realized it isn’t just a big city problem anymore.
Andy
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Tennessee has a big drug problem.
Oh and they have a homeless problem but they are cleaning it up by housing them in Jail LOL.
I could go on and on State by state. Get the point?
Andy
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Well, that’s how some in this country want to “solve” the problem. Make it a crime to not have a home. Then they will be in jail where we won’t see them and can pretend the problem doesn’t exist anymore.
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Well how long do you think that is going to last BJ? Think about it. They have to feed them, clothe them, put a roof over their heads. All of that and they do not even want to solve the problem because it would be to expensive. Get enough homeless in their jails then what are they going to do?
Andy
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Ooops another person leaving California.
Does anyone out there want a crazy B lister celebrity that can barely tie his shoes? Oh he says he is leaving because of Crime and Homeless in his area. Now which one of you want to buy a 3.5 million house that is smack dab in the middle of a homeless encampment? Hey Scott I will give you 500,000 for it LOL. Location, Location, Location.
Andy
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Homelessness rate by state (per 10K population)
California 65.8
Montana 14.4
65.8/14.4 = 4.6x
Top five states for homeless rate:
California
Vermont
Oregon
Hawaii
New York
DB2
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Thank you DB2 you proved my point. We have a homeless problem in the United States. All of the states have homeless people.
Andy
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