It is true that it is everywhere. However, the rate makes a difference.
Of course, the US is not alone. For example, the Netherlands, Austria, China, Germany, Sweden, Luxembourg, France, Australia and the UK (among others) all have higher rates.
DB2
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People who leave take their income with them. More than 100,000 people left Illinois in 2021, taking with them some $11 billion in AGI, nearly double its 2019 total. For New York it was $24.5 billion, an increase of more than 150% from 2019. California, meanwhile, saw its AGI loss ($29 billion) more than triple since 2019.
DB2
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What makes a difference is the rate of homeless growth over the years. I have never noticed homeless people in Montana before and now I do. That is a big difference. My sister, who lives up there, was telling me that they have a huge drug problem also, with needles being found in the parks.
Andy
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I heard California was paying Democrats to move to red states.
Andy
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Is that why the state budget is running a deficit? 
DB2
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Montana [quote=“buynholdisdead, post:63, topic:90507”]
have a huge drug problem also,
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How huge is the drug problem @buynholdisdead ?
Zeihan says the cartels “own” the entire US market.
There are other zeihan YouTube s, purporting this concept.
ralph
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Top homelessness rate states: California, Vermont, Oregon and Hawaii
I get California & Hawaii as there are mild winters in these states.
The four states accounted for more than half of the nation’s homeless population, with 30% of the total living in California alone.
Looking on the internet it looks like Vermont currently pays for housing the homeless. If that is correct I am guessing some of the homeless would flock to Vermont to obtain the free/low cost housing.
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Rural poverty is higher than urban poverty rates.
Rural homicide rates by gun shot are higher than urban rates.
The guys must not be so good?
If you listen to the bad guys the good guys have never been good.
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It’s true, CA pays them about 10% of their income to move to WA or FL or TX etc.
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Before or after the 30% to 60% cut in regional pay differentials not to mention the better business opportunities in CA?
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More than 40% of residents say they’re contemplating moving out of California, with nearly half of them saying they’re considering that “very seriously.” About 61% pointed to the high cost of living here as the reason they’d go. People of color are far more likely to say that the expense of living in California is the reason they might leave. About 71% of residents who are either Black or Asian/Pacific Islander and considering relocating cited the cost of living…
Forty-three percent of residents said the state was on the wrong track, an 11 percentage point jump from February 2020.
DB2
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Capitalism at it’s best. The people leaving should leave and find some place to live where they can afford it. Nobody should live in a place they can’t afford. I would tell them to move to Tennessee, Florida, Kentucky, let’s make more states blue.
Andy
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It would seem people of all income levels and education levels are leaving California.
The ability to work remotely certainly has fueled & aided high income folks from being trapped in expensive California.
I wonder if some of the folks that are leaving are keeping their houses, with a 3% mortgage, and renting it out for $6k/mo, and then paying $3k rent in Oshkosh, OtherState, and using the remaining $3k to pay the mortgage?
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When the sea level starts to flood the coastal streets/homes/businesses and sea water seepage destroys aquifers/flora & fauna.
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In an airconditioned house or car between 10 am and 8pm from May 1st to October 1st in the desert areas of Arizona.
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That is good news for the Californians who are not leaving which means less crowds, lower housing prices, and less pollution.
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What a show of compassion. The liberal left despises the middle class. What do you say to families that have lived there for generations that are simply priced out, that’s not capitalism, it’s socialism gone wrong.
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WRONG. It is the definition of “capitalism”. You are NOT a “capitalist” because such a person would have known that fact immediately.
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Having lived in CA when its population went from 10 million to 40 million, population can’t shrink enough. I know, I know, economically not good, but the state was much more livable at 10 million.
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