A Thread on BITO/BITQ/BITW

I have done a lot of rafting but reading the river takes time and experience, the way you get that is by getting your feet wet and sometimes getting in over your head. Yes I have been in trouble rafting but I always came out smarter on the other side. Arindam, I like learning and am always up for a challenge. But my best lessons have been learned by doing.

Andy

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It may not mean anything, but the five day chart on UCO just gave an arc and a green bar.

The 2 month using SimonSez3 has an arc:

Just giving a heads up…doc

edit:
the 20 day is flashing buy and there is a lot of buying volume

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UCO vs SCO - Daily charts using OHLC coloured lines as an example.

re: Simon Sez III with two (2) simple rules. We play the game with Simon and when he says do this, we do that.

re: Trending and De-Trending via the 20 ema line.

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re: UCO place your mouse on 3/16 and what does Simon say to do

re: place you mouse on 4/14/23 and what does Simon say to do. TIMMMMMMber


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re: SCO place your mouse on 3/17 and what does Simon say to do

re: place you mouse on 4/14/23 and what does Simon say to do.

You can single or double click on the chart for a better view.
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Never BUY as stock that is De-trending.

I wish you guys the best,

Quill - Simon and Lucas (spider).

Lucas sits high on the perch over looking the charts with me and he says LET THE PREY COME TO YOU.

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Quill,

Here’s my challenge to you. Prove that I haven’t coded your trading rules correctly and that I’m not giving them a fair back-test. Here what I say trading UCO & USO with your rules would have produced using 1500 days of data and an (-8%) stop-loss.

Here’s that same test but run without a stop-loss. The results are a bit better, but win rate is still no better than a coin flip.

Here’s a screen shot of some of the trades.

re: Tetter Totter

Okay, going to assume you are talking about Tetter Tottering UCO and SCO, with a bankroll of $10,000.00 ( my 4th grade math skills).

Going to start the Totter Totter No stop loss and trade per Simon Sez III ( trading system) rules using my 9th grade math skills.

Going to start from the “V” (3/19/2020) as the start since all Swing Traders use this as a starting point in the real werld.

Or run how to make money for just UCO and SCO all by themselves.

why is USO and UCO in this mess.

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Quill,

You’re misunderstanding the points I’m trying to make.

You’re a hellavu good trader. No one can take that from you, and no one is willing to try to match your work ethic.

What I’m questioning --and have questioned for years-- is whether your methods can be put on auto-pilot. From doing a lot of back-testing, I’d say not. I could be wrong about that, of course. But I doubt it. Creating truly mechanical systems is tough, because markets aren’t simple and deterministic, and because I can find instances where your rule sets fall apart. You try to brush them off as ‘head fakes’. But you’ve been at the trading game long enough to get yourself out of trouble when it happens. That’s not the case with them trying to learn your systems, as the endless questions show when they’re at the hard, right-hand edge of a chart and don’t have enough market experience to make an informed exception to the rule set and back away.

"Simon Sez’ (and its variants, some of which I’ve contributed to) are trend-following systems that offer the same advantages that all trend-following systems offer as well as come with their problems, one which of which is proper position-sizing, which you refuse to address. Another is trade selection, which you also skirt. A third is goals, which are going to vary from investor to investor, specifically, answers to the the questions of “How much time/effort am I willing to spend, and how much risk am I willing to accept?”

There’s even yet a further problem. Namely, how much of anyone’s success in markets --yours, mine, anyone’s-- must be explained by ‘randomness’ rather than ‘skill’? Reporting a lucky trade or two or hundred isn’t proof of anything. A thousand trades over a full market cycle? Even that isn’t proof enough that luck played no part, due to the law of large numbers.

It’s late, even for me on the West coast, and time for both of us to be asleep. “Tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow,” as the line from Shakespeare goes.

Arindam

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BITQ had a nice move up this week…doc

Doc,

Actually, BITO didn’t have a good week. It closed last Friday at 15.29 and this Friday at 15.53, or a gain of 1.57%. But look at a chart. That gain was gained by suffering the uncertainties of a lot of chop.

What did have a decent week --actually, two weeks-- is the $US, for which the cryptos could be considered inverses. But that’s a tough contract to trade I feel guilty for ignoring, given its fate and likely decline --if not replacement-- is the single most important fact of our economic lives and our economic future (apart from what’s happening in Ukraine and the likelihood the US will go nuclear rather than admit it has lost yet another of its endless wars of choice).

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