AI Use for Intelligence and Reason to Go to War

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Palantir’s Mosaic—the AI model developed for the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)

Palantir’s AI platform, Mosaic, has been integrated into the IAEA’s monitoring systems since 2015. It processes massive datasets—satellite imagery, surveillance footage, social media, and even Mossad intelligence—to detect anomalies in Iran’s nuclear program. The report that prompted the IAEA to declare Iran in breach of its non-proliferation agreement was likely based on Mosaic’s prediction.

Of course, there are reports claiming that the IAEA has a bias toward Israel, that Mosaic used Mossad’s data in its predictions, and that Palantir is also deeply involved in Israel’s operations in Gaza through a similar algorithm called Lavender. But the relevant point here is that this explains why Trump had the audacity to dismiss his own head of intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, when she said there was no intelligence to confirm that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapons.

Trump’s “intelligence” was probably based on Israeli sources, which likely relied on the IAEA’s predictions—which were, in turn, based on Mosaic’s algorithm.

the “intelligence” of an AI model was prioritized over that of an actual human intelligence agency.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5442682/ai-chatbots-fact-check-videos-images-israel-iran
With AI-generated images and videos rapidly growing more realistic, researchers who study conflicts and information say it has become easier for motivated actors to spread false claims and harder for anyone to make sense of conflicts based on what they’re seeing online.

“Initially, a lot of the AI-generated material was in some early Israeli public diplomacy efforts justifying escalating strikes against Gaza,” said Brooking. “But as time passed, starting last year with the first exchanges of fire between Iran and Israel, Iran also began saturating the space with AI-generated conflict material.”

The report found that when asked to fact-check something, Grok references Community Notes, X’s crowdsourced fact-checking effort. This made the chatbot’s answers more consistent, but it still contradicted itself.

I agree with the statement below:
An unverified AI-generated threat assessment triggered a preemptive US strike on Iran, exposing the dangers of outsourcing national security decisions to speculative algorithms and geopolitical manipulation, while revealing how intelligence distortion and technological overreach can escalate regional conflicts and undermine global stability.

An unprincipled politician will add AI to their bag of tricks to initiate warfare.

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It doesn’t matter who or what tells them, as long as it tells them what they want to hear.

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I don’t know what his job was, but Dabney Coleman played the part in enabling WOPR to take us to the brink of nuclear annihilation, I suppose ChatGPT or Gemini or Perplexity could do just as well. Maybe better!

Oh what a fun world we live in.

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Yes and we have the President on July 4th proclaiming his love for all Americans. I don’t think I have ever seen a President do this.

** They wouldn’t vote only because they hate Trump, but I hate them, too, you know?” Trump said, referring to Democrats who voted against his “Big Beautiful Bill,” which the House sent to the president’s desk after a tight vote.

“I really do. I hate them. I cannot stand them, because I really believe they hate our country.”**

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Another echo of #43, who brushed off criticisms of his policies with “they hate America”.

Steve

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He never said he hated them. No President has ever said that.

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Yes, of late, each iteration of shinies has “stretched the envelope”.

Steve

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But isn’t context important, too, with such phrasing?

When 43 said “they hate America” it was in response to 9-11. It was pretty obvious that the terrorists/extreme fundamentalists actually did (and still do) hate America.

What is new is saying a major portion of the citizenry hate America and he (45/47) hates them. This is quite the opposite to what most of these citizens feel and think.

Pete

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No, he was talking about anyone who opposed his policies. Remember “freedom fries”, because France did not toe the line on Iraq? That “they hate America” became such a catchphrase that some on this board picked it up, tongue in cheek, responding to criticism of some policy with “why do you hate America?”. Hillary uses the same tactic, brushing off critics with something along the lines of “they have a problem with strong women”.

Steve

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I thought we were talking about the president. 43 did not say that about France, Germany, other Americans, etc. Maybe “they hate America” became a catchphrase, as you say, maybe, but that was nearly always in regard to the terrorists.

Pete

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Not so, Steve. Here is an example from a speech Bush gave in October 2006:

This election is taking place in an historic time for our country. When people look back at this period of time, the question will be, did we do everything in our power to protect the American people and win the war on terror? And we are in a war. It came to our shores on September the 11th, 2001. And on that day, I vowed to use every element of national power to defend the American people and to defeat the terrorists.

We face an enemy that – which is brutal. There is no negotiation with these people. These are ideologues who have a backward and hateful vision of the world. They do not believe in freedom. They hate America because we do believe in freedom.

And from July 2002:

Unlike past wars, where you could see platoons and battalions moving here, or airplane formations moving there, we’re chasing down these people who are willing to hide in a cave and send youngsters to their death. That’s the kind of people we’re facing. You know, these people hate — they hate America because we love freedom.

DB2

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I’m not talking about speeches. I am talking about when someone asked him a question about opposition to his policies. His stock blow-off line was “they hate America”. Just like Hillary responded to critical questions with responses like “they have a problem with strong women”.

For the halibut, this is what Google AI sifted from the record, in response to “how did president bush dismiss criticism?”

President George W. Bush utilized a range of strategies to respond to criticism during his time in office, particularly concerning his administration’s policies on issues such as the Iraq War, treatment of detainees, and the response to the September 11th attacks.

Some of these approaches included:

  • Discounting criticism: Some observers argued that the Bush administration and its supporters developed a tendency to dismiss criticism as biased or untrue, especially when it came from the mainstream media. This approach could lead to a disregard of valid critiques and a reinforcement of existing policy choices.
  • Focusing on positive narratives: The administration would often emphasize positive developments in Iraq and Afghanistan, even as negative news emerged, potentially downplaying or dismissing ongoing challenges and problems.
  • Appealing to national security and patriotism: President Bush would frequently frame his administration’s actions and policies as being necessary for national security and in alignment with American values, potentially framing criticism as unpatriotic or undermining national interests.
  • Invoking religious imagery: Bush sometimes employed religious language to describe international events and his own actions, suggesting a divine justification for his policies and possibly deflecting criticism from a secular perspective.
  • Asserting executive privilege: In cases of congressional inquiries or investigations into administrative actions, such as the dismissal of US attorneys, President Bush sometimes asserted executive privilege to prevent aides from testifying under oath, arguing it was necessary to receive candid advice.
  • Employing subtle stereotyping: Some political experts and historians suggest that Bush occasionally employed subtle stereotyping to play on fears or group-based guilt, potentially impacting public opinion and perceptions of those who were critical of his policies.

Steve

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Another bit of AI sifting, in response to “george w bush media critics hate america”

Some individuals perceived George W. Bush’s critics in the media as being motivated by anti-American sentiment. This was a view held by some of his supporters and was expressed in various forums. For example, a 2008 Wall Street Journal article stated that some perceived the media as purposely ignoring the complexities of the Iraq War to focus on negative aspects and vilify American soldiers, the president, and the country itself. This perspective suggests that some Bush supporters believed the media’s criticism was rooted in a dislike for America rather than a genuine critique of policy or performance.

I’m surprised you folks don’t remember that.

Steve

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That is not the same and you should understand that. That is a foreign country not American citizens. Can you show me a link where 43 is saying that Americans hate him or he hates Americans.

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As I said, the current regime is pushing the envelope farther. You want claims of personal hate of 43, by him or his water carriers?

Steve

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Nope, not even close. I said by the President not by his water carriers or anyone else. You said:

I am just asking for proof. I am tired about this whataboutism that people seem to be employing to prove points. You either believe something is wrong or you don’t. Saying that well that is just about as bad doesn’t cut it.

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Claude says both Johnson n Nixon referred to anti Vietnam war protestors as Unpatriotic.

I was not successful in copy pasting Claude’s notes.

Here’s what ChatGPT says:
{ Summary:

None of the three presidents directly and consistently used the word “unpatriotic” in public speeches to label Vietnam War protesters.

However, Johnson and Nixon strongly implied that protesters were harming the country, and in private, they often used harsher, more judgmental language.

Kennedy was the most respectful of dissent, emphasizing free speech. }

Labeling the opposition with some negative descriptor is a time honored tradition.

:label::label::label:
ralph

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Very stupid utterings