EV Product Reliabilty and Crap Tech

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1136340_ev-problems-not…

At face value, a new study from J.D. Power has found that electric vehicles are far more problematic than typical internal-combustion models.

Although the assumption based on that might be that it has something to do with their battery packs, charging systems, motors, or other such things that set their powertrains apart, EVs don’t stand out as trouble-prone in the survey in any of those respects.

What does make them trouble? It’s all the other stuff—the weird-and-different hardware, the leading edge technology, and the interfaces done differently seemingly for different’s sake that has owners frustrated.

I don’t want to have to page through 5 menus on the touch screen to tune the radio.

Do I really need an automobile that does this?

https://youtu.be/u-i_R5prdMM

intercst

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I want a car with physical knobs and buttons that I can control by touch without taking my eyes off the road. I don’t want a distracting screen.

Wendy

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What does make them trouble? It’s all the other stuff—the weird-and-different hardware, the leading edge technology, and the interfaces done differently seemingly for different’s sake that has owners frustrated.

I was at a show a few weeks ago, where reps from VW US had some models on display. I commented to one of the reps, when looking at an ID4 “why do they insist on making the inside look like a science project?”.

But it isn’t just EVs. Whizzy touchy-feely interfaces and layers upon layers of tech are infecting IC powered cars too. Guess what, the stuff doesn’t work, at least in a manner that average people can understand.

J.D. Power Claims Vehicles Are Becoming Less Reliable

So what gives? Well, like last year, the outlet believes that it’s the modern tech going into cars causing a lot of the problems — specifically infotainment systems. This syncs with the claims made in 2021, where a shockingly high percentage of issues were tied to vehicles’ multimedia interface, and also matches the kind of reporting we’re seeing from the latest recall campaigns.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2022/06/j-d-power-claims-v…

I want a car with physical knobs and buttons that I can control by touch without taking my eyes off the road. I don’t want a distracting screen.

You will probably need to wait until the industry tires of the whizzy stuff, like it tired of the electronic instrument clusters and electronic mothers in the 80s.

VW seems to have gone heavily into the touchy-feely stuff. The nicer trims of the Tiguan, for instance, has gone to, not only a touch screen for the infotainment system, but also for the hvac controls and the switches on the steering wheel. Only the bottom trim of the Tiguan still has a radio, hvac, and wheel, that have physical buttons and knobs.

Steve

I want a car with physical knobs and buttons that I can control by touch without taking my eyes off the road. I don’t want a distracting screen.

Completely understand. But all those knobs are things to insert during manufacturing. And wiring. And can break. A touch screen is one device to insert, one wiring harness, and has more reliability. (The problem is, of course, most programmers write lousy UI’s and therefore write software that is difficult to use. Even Apple, sometimes, get that part wrong too). The user interface on our 2016 Odyssey is horrendous. I have to look up in the owner’s manual twice a year to change the time on the clock.

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intercst: I don’t want to have to page through 5 menus on the touch screen to tune the radio.

Nio gives you Nomi:
https://youtu.be/bjGiLl7Ls4o

Nio is a Chinese luxury EV company, that swaps/rents batteries. And, A direct competitor to Tesla.

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ralph

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Completely understand. But all those knobs are things to insert during manufacturing. And wiring. And can break. A touch screen is one device to insert, one wiring harness, and has more reliability.

I get it, but I still prefer knobs. I’ve done a lot of hobby work with sound recording/processing. Back when things started to go digital there were lots of push buttons and screens with menus. But eventually knobs made a comeback. There are still screens and digital menus, but the commonly used controls are all knobs.

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There are still screens and digital menus, but the commonly used controls are all knobs.

Right. At least keep the Heat/AC and radio as knobs.

intercst

Nio is a Chinese luxury EV company, that swaps/rents batteries. And, A direct competitor to Tesla.

How are they are direct competitor to Tesla if you can’t swap the battery in the US where Tesla sells most of its cars? Hmmm, can’t even buy a Nio in the US either.

So, perhaps a competitor to Tesla in China?

Mike

Nio is a competitor to Tesla in that, like Tesla, they produce in the luxury car segment.
Nio is also expanding to the European market.

There are barriers to entry for Chinese autos/EVs into the US.

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ralph

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(The problem is, of course, most programmers write lousy UI’s and therefore write software that is difficult to use.

A sad but monumental truth! Today I saw the new CitiCard UI. They asked for feedback…

It feels like an Easter Egg Hunt

When the Mac first came out Apple published the Apple Human Interface Guidelines which was an inspired piece of design philosophy. Programmers (designers) should study it!

The latest version, I haven’t read it…

https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline…

The Captain

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I have to look up in the owner’s manual twice a year to change the time on the clock.

I’ve never understood that part with a car that has GPS. The clock part of my car will change when I cross time zones but twice a year I have to manually change the hour. It is obviously pinging something on a regular basis just like my phone.

JLC

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I’ve never understood that part with a car that has GPS. The clock part of my car will change when I cross time zones but twice a year I have to manually change the hour. It is obviously pinging something on a regular basis just like my phone.

Automakers have about a 5-year lead time for any tech that appears in your car, thus at it’s time of installation, it’s obsolete.

That’s why I’d never pay an extra $5,000 for any dashboard technology that’s duplicated on my smartphone.

intercst

That’s why I’d never pay an extra $5,000 for any dashboard technology that’s duplicated on my smartphone.

This is why people love Apple Carplay and Android Auto so much. They save $5000 and as new features show up on their phone, they get them on the bigger display in the car too.

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