How is the Iran Intervention Going

I can forsee one path to victory. Follow the Israeli Gaza template. Bomb Iran into rubble killing tens of thousands of Iranians. What remains of Iran will be incapable of making a nuke. Iran will like Libya-a breeding ground for terrorists.

Libya taught us air power without ground commitment produces a failed state. Afghanistan taught us even with ground commitment cannot change a local culture corruption and replace it western values. Before the US completed its withdrawal President Ashraf Ghani was on a helicopter flying to Uzbekistan. I assume with as much as he could fit in the chopper. And the Afghanistan government collapsed a house of cards.

I wonder what the lesson of Iran will be.

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The Washington Post:

A classified report by the National Intelligence Council found that even a large-scale assault on Iran launched by the United States would be unlikely to oust the Islamic republic’s entrenched military and clerical establishment, a sobering assessment as the Trump administration raises the specter of an extended military campaign that officials say has “only just begun.”

The report, completed about a week before the United States and Israel initiated the war on Feb. 28

The prospect of Iran’s fragmented opposition taking control of the country was described as “unlikely,” said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a classified report.

The National Intelligence Council, or NIC, is composed of veteran analysts who produce classified assessments meant to represent the collective wisdom of Washington’s 18 intelligence agencies.

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I thought all these guys had been fired and replaced by trumpets?

JimA

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A strategic miscalculation?
Did our fearless leader believe Iran would crumble like Venezuela? A cake walk!
Iran didn’t. Iran claims it is in it for the long haul.Meanwhile our nation continue to deplete its missile munitions. Worldwide economic oil pressure/cost appear to be in the cards.
Iran has had some success in counter attacks.

Is anyone actually tracking the last eight days? US diplomats promised to the politicians in the host countries that those bases all around the the Middle East would protect the neighbors. But if you look at the 40 major US installations and cross-reference them with the sites that just got wrecked—lost radars, smashed SATCOM, collapsed hangars—you’re looking at a 20% functional loss in just a few days. That’s according to recent OINT (Open Source Intelligence) reports, or you can look over the various public satellite images yourself and see the scorched US bases for yourself, a recent video show everything by Medhurst here - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0cIOMVBSbU

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhartung/2026/03/04/the-costs-of-the-war-with-iran-will-mount-for-decades/
As the fighting spreads, the question of what this military engagement will cost the American public has begun to be raised. It’s hard to estimate given the pace of the fighting and the difficulty of assessing the damages in the midst of an active conflict, but there’s no question that the costs will be substantial. We should not forget that early in the post-9/11 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. officials put forth cost estimates that were a fraction of the ultimate economic burden of those wars.

We do know the US has spent $5.6 billion in motion in the first 2 days.
https://archive.ph/JL2bC

This has turned out NOT to be a cake walk. And will have longer term economic impact than anticipated.

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I believe the latest communication from Iran will likely mean the war will continue. No off ramp.

Iran has issued a chilling warning to Donald Trump, warning him “be careful not to get eliminated yourself.”

Senior Iranian security official, Ali Larijani, posted on X stating, “Iran doesn’t fear your empty threats. Even those bigger than you couldn’t eliminate Iran. Be careful not to get eliminated yourself.”

Iran’s speaker of Parliament, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, also rejected Trump’s claims that the war could end “very soon”. Writing on social media, he said: “We believe we must strike the aggressor in the mouth so that it learns a lesson and never again even thinks of aggressing against our dear Iran."

Iran knows the man. Shades of bin Laden! Another 25 years of WOT? How many trillion will this cost?

Unfortunately from a bottom fishing standpoint it appears to be going so badly in Iran that he is likely to declare Victory before I get a chance to add to my international holdings at a 20% discount.

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But it’s going great for Russia: US temporarily eases Russia oil sanctions in bid to curb price rises - follow live - BBC News

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And North Korea likes it:

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Iran’s strikes cannot be dismissed as acts of scattered retaliation, the flailing lashing out of a dying regime. Rather, they represent a strategy of horizontal escalation, a bid to transform the stakes of a conflict by widening its scope and extending its duration. Such a strategy allows a weaker combatant to alter the calculus of a more powerful foe. And it has worked in the past, to the detriment of the United States. In Vietnam and Serbia, U.S. adversaries responded to overwhelming displays of American airpower with horizontal escalation, eventually leading to American defeat, in the former case, and, in the latter, frustrating U.S. war aims and spurring the worst episode of ethnic cleansing in Europe since World War II.

Although the United States has hugely battered Iran, it must reckon with the implications of Iran’s response. Otherwise, it will find itself losing control of the war it started.

Iran cannot defeat the United States or Israel in a conventional military contest. It does not need to. Its objective is to gain greater political leverage.

First, Iran has demonstrated resilience. U.S. decapitation strikes intended to paralyze the Iranian military. By launching large-scale retaliation within hours of losing the supreme leader and many senior commanders, Tehran signaled continuity of command and operational capacity.

Second, Iran has widened the conflict well beyond Iranian territory, effecting what scholars call “multiplication of exposure.” Rather than confining retaliation to just Israel, Iran struck or aimed at targets in at least nine countries, most hosting U.S. forces: Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Greece, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

The message was unmistakable: those countries that host American forces would face severe consequences and the war that Israel and the United States started will spread.
The war has migrated into boardrooms and parliamentary chambers.

Numerous actors have now entered the conflict, each pursuing distinct interests, none fully coordinated, and all capable of altering the trajectory of escalation beyond Washington’s control.

The final dimension of Iran’s strategy is time. The longer multiple states feel pressure, the more that politics both within and among regional states can intensify the conflict. Without a version of NATO in the Middle East or a single American general effectively running the military operation for all the countries targeted by Iran, there is a high risk of wires getting crossed.

It plays directly to the audience that Iran seeks to persuade: the Muslim populations across the region that may not be ideologically aligned with Iran but are generally poorly disposed toward Israel.

This attack on Gulf shows how those governments are aligned with US & Israeli interest which not know to their Muslim populations that may cause unrest in those nations.

There is no easy off ramp for the US to declare & leave. If the US leaves now it is obvious the US doesn’t have the perceived power they have projected. To actually make regime change will require boots on the ground. While it is unknown of the result. Likely it will followed the path of Afghanistan, Syria, Libya & Iraq. Not exactly victories.

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Well, there’s always nukes…

And we have a madman in charge.

Dangerous times.

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That is a good question. Iran seems to be alienating the world’s population both financially and personally.

Iran has generally had a negative global image. Not much farther to fall. Financially Iran has been until US economic assault for 40+ years

What is it that makes you think they care? They are religious fanatics. They are unto themselves.

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Fighting the man until they are the man?

At Harvard and Yale students are told, “If you want to lead, you must tell them you believe in god”.

We are the aggressors. Up to a point this time where the Iranians are not sure to be alienated from us. We are doing very little harm. As the aggressors our leaders profess great care in god.

You mentioned Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan—and one could add the Vietnam War. This has long been part of the nature of the United States. It has behaved as an expansionist power and, in many ways, continues to do so. Like a shark, it must keep moving in order to stay alive. Today this movement is not necessarily territorial expansion—although, judging from Trump’s rhetoric, that idea has not entirely disappeared.

Concepts such as democracy, Western values, the “end of history,” or regime change are often presented as ideals, but they can also serve as justifications. What ultimately drives policy is power. Power is the central reality, and the United States possesses a great deal of it. The question of how it should best use that power is open to debate, but from its own perspective it must exercise it because it sees doing so as necessary. It is not for the benefit of others. If some states or groups manage to improve their position in the aftermath, that may be good for them—but it is incidental. For those who oppose it, the result will be destruction, because the United States has both the capability and, when it decides, the will to act in what it sees as its own interest. Even in defeat, the US destroys. It destroyed Vietnam. It destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. It might not have won but it certainly destroyed whatever it decides to touch.

I recently listened to Condoleezza Rice speak about the need to strike Iran until it capitulates. This is the same person who strongly supported the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The mindset does not seem to change. Yet when leaders pursue what they believe is necessity, they often open the door to unintended consequences and potential harm. The outcomes they fail to anticipate are rarely the ones that work in their favor. But who cares really? Life will continue on in the US just as sweetly as it had before… some believe that by unleashing violence on others we satisfy our tendencies and that allow us to move forward-always move forward…

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Oh well now. This is a blow below the belt.

So which is it?
1)We’ve won
or
2)Got to finish the job

I, for one do not believe #1.

But perhaps we are making progress?
20 years to replace Taliban with Taliban and 8 days to replace Khamenei with Khamenei

LOL

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No. No they are not. Harvard and Yale are secular institutions and there is no admonition that students should believe in god.

Leap, I am worried about you. You make up things that have no basis in fact. You tell us that the Iranians will overthrow the regime when there is no evidence of that. You say that 150,000 were killed by their own leaders in January and February, but I am unable to find a single source that even approaches that.

When some expresses an opinion you shout “You cannot debate with absolutes!” Then turn around and give ridiculous absolutes, unsubstantiated anywhere. Then you depart with a flourish, slam the door, only to return with even more gibberish an hour later.

Perhaps you need to have your meds checked? Or your sources confirmed? Or your reading list expanded? Or take a nap?

Something?

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I do not think that the relevant “They” are religious fanatics, but rather they are a mash up of a few sufficiently power-hungry mullahs with the top “officers” of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, which is as much a business empire as an internal suppressive police force.

These “Guardians” of the Islamic Revolution are precisely what the Roman satirist/historian Juvenal was describing when he asked

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
(Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Wikipedia)

They have shown themselves to be a mash-up mafia of corrupt businesses and ever more governmental offices under their patronage, absolutely intolerant of any significant competitors of secular power, and hated by most of the Iranian population. Kind of like the end stages of the odd religious states of the various Leninist Stalinist Maoists.

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