A little off topic, I wonder where the gangs get all their guns…
Our fast and loose gun laws make life more dangerous for the entire western hemisphere.
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I remember a lot of grousing in west Michigan when Angela Davis was found 'not guilty". But then, Davis was a member of a particular demographic.
Following the events of August 7, a warrant was issued for the arrest of Angela Davis. She became a fugitive and fled California. She was secreted to Chicago to meet up with fellow Communist leader David Poindexter Jr., who took her to Miami, Florida. In an effort to hide from authorities, Davis used false identification, cut off her afro, wore a wig, plucked her eyebrows, wore makeup, and donned business eyeglasses. On October 13, 1970, FBI agents found her at the Howard Johnson Motor Lodge in New York City. President Richard M. Nixon congratulated the FBI on its “capture of the dangerous terrorist, Angela Davis”.
Davis was charged as an accomplice to conspiracy, kidnapping, and homicide, In 1972, she was tried and found not guilty on all counts.
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Yes! And Mexicans know this, but they have known that their northern neighbor is psychotic, delusional, and dangerous from the get go.
The longest enduring Mexican ruler, Porfirio Diaz, famously said
“Poor Mexico, So Far From God, So Close to the United States,” diplomatically referencing the common Mexican knowledge of the USA as a Satanic entity.
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Ha! Some very very sour grapes south of the border then. Perhaps if Mejico had been more successful they’d feel better about themselves and stop finger pointing. “Knowledge”? “Satanic”? Stereotyping? The entire country of Mexico is only as wealthy as it is simply because of it’s proximity to The Great Satin. The same can be said for Canada. Having wealthy friends and neighbors always helps, never hurts but, alas, people being how they are, it can cause some to questions themselves.
I mean… really. What country sends hoards of it’s own people over their neighbor’s boarder without restraint and living of of the remittances of poor people? Remember a few years ago it was thousands of children. Unaccompanied. What kind of people do that and offer no help? They create this economic environment & do nothing about it because the creators of it (Rich people, property owners and “JC’s” as we call them here) like it that way. A cheap way to solve social and class problems and make a Yankee Buck on it too. Don’t worry Gringo will save us. He’s so easy! Tee hee hee hee. Maybe there’s a name for a country like that…?
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…as the thread veers off topic…
As Shiny-land veers closer to theocracy, a particularly Shiny Governor has signed into law a bill allowing religious chaplains to work in public schools, but the Gov says Satanists do not qualify. Clearly, the Mexicans are wrong, as Satanism is excluded from government promoted religion. 
Steve
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But not Satin…
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Yes, getting it right must always be a challenging. Being overly protective doesn’t work either. Best you can do is guide them to make good choices. Making choices should help them learn and mature.
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In a way parenting has two opposing mandates. On the one hand, you are training them to be independent, all while trying to keep them from going off the rails. In the best cases it’s tough. In some cases, it’s plain impossible, notwithstanding what would otherwise be excellent parenting with a more “normal” child. Happily, we only had difficult, not impossible. Almost any intelligent child will push his boundaries and be in the difficult category.
And in the case of male children, they reach legal age well before their brain is ready for it. 25 seems to be the magical age of rationality for males, though my sample size for this study is only 2, and I had no daughters to compare them to. Brain still forming until then.
Why is 18 the age of adulthood if the brain can take 30 years to mature? - Big Think.
** Research suggests that most human brains take about 25 years to develop, though these rates can vary between men and women, and among individuals.*
** Although the human brain matures in size during adolescence, important developments within the prefrontal cortex and other regions still take place well into one’s 20s.*
** The findings raise complex ethical questions about the way our criminal justice systems punishes criminals in their late teens and early 20s.*
IP,
finding it rather humorous that three of the non-child rearing on this board seem to have the most to say on the subject
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Perhaps implies interesting demographics attracted by the topic.
We’ve raised 5 kids. And the only thing we’ve learned about kids is that there are no general rules about how kids are to be raised. Every kid is different, some are tough, some are easy, some start out tough and become easy, some start out easy and become tough. There are all sorts of challenges along the way, and you can’t predict which kid will pose which challenge. Quite often they will surprise you and the kid that you expected a certain challenge the least is the one that poses that challenge. It seems to be kind of random.
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True dat. I have three. One started easy and turned into chaos. One started rough and is amazing. The youngest has been great, let’s hope that continues.
We do have one general rule, nobody gets an AR-15.
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Which is why a general rule of locking up parents for what their kids do is not a good idea. Locking them up for failing to do basic parenting could be a different story. Of course then half the parents would be in jail, and who would raise the hooligans?
IP
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We didn’t give the boys guns of any kind, including toy guns. They had legos, however and quickly built their own guns.
We also imposed screen limits, and had the computer in the family room, subject to our screening it when walking by. Then the school district decided to hand out tablets for them to do their homework on. So much for parental control. Eldest got around the access restrictions in seconds. At an awards ceremony senior year, a teacher introduced him by his nick name at school, “Master Hacker.” I still don’t know how he got that name, but happily he now wears a white hat in providing cyber security rather than attacking for ransom.
IP
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I think the normal rules should apply. If the parent supplies a weapon to a person then depending on the evidence, then they are culpable to some extent. And whether that person is a friend, an acquaintance, a stranger, or their child, the culpability would still depend on the evidence.
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Yes, enforce existing law. Creating new law that will also be ignored is not victory.
IP
I think childrearing has to be one of the best examples of the adage…“You don’t have to know very much to think you know enough … but a heck of a lot to realise you don’t”. I won’t embarrass myself by owning up to some of the daft ideas I had before my daughter was born🤔
The other one surely must be the difficulty of getting any sort of mental health services for kids…or even a diagnosis in the first place, come to that. Mercifully, not for my daughter but rather that lump of foul deformity (formerly known as my son in law…I’m catching up on my Shakespeare, if only for the vibrant insults/apt descriptions!).
We had a talk at Rotary a couple of years ago by one of the members who was now ADA but back then was one of the prosecutors responsible for successful convictions of 2 of the guys who sold some of the firearms to the
**Columbine shooters and also allowed them to practise on their property. Even he commented on the sorry state of mental health services…and that’s not the sort of sentiment usually associated with prosecutors.
**edit: forgot the most important detail…the Columbine school
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Remember the Maine shooter last year?
There’s a flag for that.
Back in 2022…
Who shall we jail?
Family n friends raised questions WEEKS before the guy “snapped”.
His best friend alerted the cops. The cops denigrated the friend.
Police were hammered by Yellow Flag laws. At least that’s what the Law L&Ss are claiming.
{ Deputies said they had been trained about steps to remove guns under the law and that they were limited in what they could do when they received warnings about the reservist’s deteriorating mental health.
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(Sheriff Scofield)
He also defended his officers, saying they were limited in what they could do during a welfare check and relied on family members and Army Reserve officials to respond to mental health worries without escalating the situation.
After the attempted welfare check in September, Skolfield said he received assurances from the family that it was removing his access to guns and that the Army suggested he let the situation “simmer.” He said he felt comfortable enough about the situation to go on vacation without assigning any fellow deputies to follow up on the matter. }
The sheriff pointed his gun finger at the army reserve… Who replied with their own finger.
Hmmm which States have a law for that?
There are Red Flag Laws.
And Extreme Risk Laws.
It appears that there are enough different laws and flags to keep the legal system occupied, and no real “decisions” made?
ralph no solid yellow or red flag emojis.
I thought about these for red flag laws:
Or the old Soviet red with hammer n sickle but no emoji for that.
Our family has some experience in reporting someone to the law before a crisis occurs. It’s not pretty. And I realize that this type of reporting could be used badly, but I also believe that it should result in the law investigating the issue raised, rather than berating the reporter.
Dad had what we believed to be the onset of Alzheimer’s, and his driving style became more and more aggressive as his abilities declined. Sis, who was the off again on again caretaker, depending on Dad’s paranoia, was now his next door neighbor when he bought the foreclosure next door in a fit of pique. They lived in rural mountain southern town, which absolutely required a car on those narrow mountain roads.
Sis had multiple co-workers notify her that Dad almost drove them off the road, so she reported the problem to the Sherriff’s office…twice. Both time she was told to mind her business. Then Dad almost forced a Sherriff’s car off the road. License removed immediately. I don’t know how no one got hurt or killed, given how many she knew reported him to her. How many others were there?
Once again a matter of enforcing the laws you have, rather than coming up with more laws on the books to be ignored.
IP
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I can’t imagine an elderly ‘Dementia driver’ running wild in a Liberal enclave like Berkeley or New York City. Surely they’d be corralled after the second verified report of a problem.
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Had a similar issue with my dad last year. Only his doctor told him he could no longer drive. His doctor told him if he learned that he was driving that he would report him to the DMV and have his license revoked. My father didn’t believe him so he asked my son who is a police officer if that could be done. He said it was done all the time.
Anyway, after we got home I took all of the car and truck keys. I also took the keys to his shop because he had several pieces of equipment that could kill him if he operated them unsafely.
He was extremely mad. I told him I would return his keys whenever the doctor said it was okay for him to drive. The doctor never did.
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