Polls have shown a pretty consistent 60% of USians favoring abortion availability, for decades.
Then it is time they get active and use their vote, hold their elected representatives accountable. Midterms are coming up.
Approximately 240 million people were eligible to vote in the 2020 presidential election and roughly 66.1% of them submitted ballots, totaling about 158 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States….
IP
Polls have shown a pretty consistent 60% of USians favoring abortion availability…
True – during the first trimester. 65% say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second trimester and 80% in the third trimester.
https://apnews.com/article/only-on-ap-us-supreme-court-abort…
DB2
I expect to see a lot more people gracing the voting booth to express their preference.
I think the macroeconomics of inflation and a possible oncoming recession will be more important.
DB2
I expect to see a lot more people gracing the voting booth to express their preference.
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I think the macroeconomics of inflation and a possible oncoming recession will be more important.
The Fed’s aggressive hiking campaign will lead to a recession, according to CNBC survey
www.cnbc.com/2022/05/03/the-feds-aggressive-hiking-campaign-…
The quick pace of tightening and the stubbornness of inflation leads a majority to believe the Fed will not achieve a soft landing. Asked if the effort to bring down inflation to 2% will create a recession, 57% said it would, 33% said it would be avoided and 10% didn’t know.
DB2
I expect to see a lot more people gracing the voting booth to express their preference.
…
I think the macroeconomics of inflation and a possible oncoming recession will be more important.
And I would have expected the desire to stay healthy would have been more important that the concern over being told to wear a mask, but clearly people were willing to risk their life to show the gov’t that they couldn’t tell them what to do. Perhaps this time they will vote to demonstrate their wishes, since dangling a fetus off their chin is harder than a mask.
IP
I think the macroeconomics of inflation and a possible oncoming recession will be more important.
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And I would have expected the desire to stay healthy would have been more important that the concern over being told to wear a mask, but clearly people were willing to risk their life to show the gov’t that they couldn’t tell them what to do.
Two points:
DB2
Polls have shown a pretty consistent 60% of USians favoring abortion availability, for decades.
Actually, only 19% are in favor of a complete ban.
Actually, only 19% are in favor of a complete ban.
Local media showed the results of a poll in Michigan: 67% for Roe standing, and 13% for a complete ban.
But that 13% is very loud, organized, and funded. The current legislature will not repeal the 1931 law, a complete ban, which would go back into effect on the overturn of Roe.
Steve
I don’t agree that this is a low tier issue. Myself, and anecdotally everyone I’ve spoken with
on this issue, feel that this is just the beginning of the fight to take away rights from
Americans. It is being downplayed by the instigators, but they may have given the other side
an issue to rally behind. Time will tell.
It is a low-tier issue for most people."
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I don’t agree that this is a low tier issue. Myself, and anecdotally everyone I’ve spoken with…
Data is not the plural of anecdote.
“When Gallup asked respondents what they thought was the most important problem facing the United States today, fewer than half of one percent answered abortion…”
DB2
…this is just the beginning of the fight to take away rights from Americans.
Amanpur had a anti-Roe spokesperson on last night. Lots of standard complaints directed at Roe “one size fits all”, “unelected judges legislating from the bench”, and she went off on how wonderful the overturn is because it returns authority to the states.
Can’t help but wonder how far this state’s rights horse will be ridden. Repeal the Voting Rights Act? Repeal the Civil Rights Act? Repeal the entire body of anti-discrimination law?
Steve
C’mon Dr Bob,
You know there is no such thing as third trimester abortion per se, nor “partial birth” abortion,
WeverTF that is.
fd
It is a low-tier issue for most people.
www.politico.com/news/2022/05/04/democrats-scotus-abortion-m…
The day after Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, Democratic donors poured more than $30 million into Democratic campaigns and groups through ActBlue, shattering its own one-day fundraising records. In the 23 hours after POLITICO reported a draft Supreme Court opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade, ActBlue took in just $9 million — just a small uptick from the days prior…
One Democratic pollster, granted anonymity to discuss the issue candidly, acknowledged that the issue “will help at the margins,” but “to hold the House or Senate, we need inflation to go away.”…
“Midterm voters care about affordability first and foremost, and they are not people who are worried every single day about losing access to abortion,” said Julie Roginsky, a Democratic strategist who began her career as a researcher at the abortion rights group EMILY’s List. “My fear continues to be that sometimes we as Democrats run on things that we wish the voters cared about, rather than what the voters do care about.”
DB2
“It is a low-tier issue for most people.”
As I said argued this morning in an FA’d post here on METAR, “The Handmaid’s Tale” has come to life:
I agree with UpNorthJoe’s response: "I don’t agree that this is a low tier issue. Myself, and anecdotally everyone I’ve spoken with on this issue, feel that this is just the beginning of the fight to take away rights from Americans. It is being downplayed by the instigators, but they may have given the other side an issue to rally behind. Time will tell.
Lawyerly advice from a woman on Twitter today shows why I believe this will become a top-tier issue. If a majority of women think like this, social media websites etc., are going to lose consumers of their “services”:
(I can also imagine the sales of burner phones are going to spike as this goes on. Better Call Saul.)
If you open up this thread, you’ll see very good pieces from the NY Times and Vice as well:
https://twitter.com/ECMcLaughlin/status/1521467912162226176
@ECMcLaughlin
If you are using an online period tracker or tracking your cycles through your phone, get off it and delete your data.
Now.
8:33 AM · May 3, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
@ECMcLaughlin
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May 3
Replying to
@ECMcLaughlin
Let me make something very clear to everyone in the retweets wondering why.
Peter Thiel has already sold data tracking the locations of marginalized people to the government.
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Tim Marchman @timmarchman
· May 3
NEW: CDC bought location data tracking tens of millions of people from a Peter Thiel-backed spy firm; use cases included “hourly monitoring of activity in curfew zones,” activity in schools and houses of worship, and monitoring the Navajo Nation.
https://vice.com/en/article/m7vymn/cdc-tracked-phones-locati…
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Elizabeth C. McLaughlin (she/her)
@ECMcLaughlin
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May 3
If you think that your data showing when you last menstruated isn’t of interest to those who are about to outlaw abortion, whew do I have a wakeup call for YOU.
Elizabeth C. McLaughlin (she/her)
@ECMcLaughlin
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May 3
Combine that with location tracking information and when you last menstruated and where you are seeking healthcare and you have a target on your back.
Elizabeth C. McLaughlin (she/her)
@ECMcLaughlin
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May 3
And by the way, if you have used Flo, Zuckerberg and Co already have your cycle tracked.
nytimes.com
nytimes
Your App Knows You Got Your Period. Guess Who It Told? (Published 2021)
Millions of women use apps to track their cycles, and that data is often passed on to third-party companies, like Facebook and Google. But what if that data could be used to help women’s health…
p.s. Is this female lawyer too paranoid and cynical? More and more of our young people are disengaging from electronics and social media such as $FB’s Instagram, tik tok, $GOOGL search, etc., and all the spying on daily lives these apps offer. Add this new leak of a Supreme Court decision in the works and I will wager a new Scheissestorm against the sale of personal data will soon become a top of the fold headline for weeks to come. BTW, her first tweet is six hours old and is being rapidly retweeted and liked as more people see her short thread: 36.6K Retweets 6,937 Quote Tweets 82.4K Likes
@ECMcLaughlin shares another tweet thread which begins like this:
More to know:
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Nandini Jammi is on vacation 
@nandoodles
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[Interrupts beautiful tropical vacation to share the following:]
A handful of men in adtech are planning to get rich off selling the data of any woman attempting to secure an abortion directly to law enforcement.
Here are faces of the men behind @SafeGraph.
1. @auren
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Someone, Somewhere
@CapobiaNB
· May 3
Flo app is being sanctioned by the FTC for sharing menstrual data with Google, Facebook, &others. Flo sends your data to these companies, even if you don’t have an account with them! If you do, Facebook can match the information to your profile, & send you targeted ads. Avoid! twitter.com/iamkierrad/sta…
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Elizabeth C. McLaughlin (she/her)
@ECMcLaughlin
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Someone, Somewhere
@CapobiaNB
· May 3
Replying to @ChristinaMets15
This data, if subpoenaed, could be handed to the courts to “prove” criminalization of pregnancy or pregnancy loss (whether intended or not) based on menstrual charting data. It already has been in some instances.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vzjb/location-data-abortio…
Data Broker Is Selling Location Data of People Who Visit Abortion Clinics
It costs just over $160 to get a week’s worth of data on where people who visited Planned Parenthood came from, and where they went afterwards.
Closing this thread for now. FWIW I’ve been aware of how data is used by DHS and other entities to track activists and immigration workers and undocumented folks for at least six years. None of this is new, it’s just a new level of awful. Please stay safe everyone. ??
p.p.s. There was this other thread introduced by Elizabeth C. McLaughlin showing User Agreement lawyerese for many of these “flo” apps which women are “woke” to today. Some of the comments and screenshots are beyond the paranoia of “The Handmaid’s Tale.”
This particular thread is very long and filled with comments from women waking up to what the Supreme Court has unleashed in their thinking:
If he ever raised his right hand, I can’t find it.
Here it is, hiding behind an opening banner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGs1fjQAZs
–Peter
- It is a low-tier issue for most people. For example:
https://punchbowl.news/archive/5-4-22-punchbowl-news-am/
“When Gallup asked respondents what they thought was the most important problem facing the United States today, fewer than half of one percent answered abortion in December 2021, January 2022 or February 2022. In March 2022, that number slipped to zero.”
Let’s see the polling after this leak, and preferably after the formal release of the decision. Opinions may change. And by “may” I mean “almost certainly will”. The news of today doesn’t affect polling in the past.
Abortion has likely been a low-tier issue because the right to get an abortion has been pretty secure for a few decades. With the leak of this pending court decision, I would expect the importance to increase significantly.
–Peter
As I said argued this morning in an FA’d post here on METAR, “The Handmaid’s Tale” has come to life:
Think big. This isn’t just about women.
Over the years, several SCOTUS decisions have been reversed.
SCOTUS affirmed “separate but equal”, then overturned it.
SCOTUS affirmed a Texas law against an act by a gay couple, that was legal for a straight couple, then overturned it.
Previous overturns expanded individual rights.
This overturn of precedent takes individual rights away.
Steve
"Data is not the plural of anecdote.
“When Gallup asked respondents what they thought was the most important problem facing the United States today, fewer than half of one percent answered abortion…”
Yeah, I know what anecdote means.
You don’t get what I’m saying. The taking away of the right to have an abortion is an issue,
but it’s not the only issue, or even the main issue. The issue is the political right wing /
evangelical right wing trying to shape the nation in the image that they want. And myself and a whole lot of other Americans do not believe in that image. Stripping abortion rights is just the
beginning.
The key nexus of the Alito draft from METAR perspective is the underlying agenda, funding, and stunning power of this bunch:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society
How powerful are they? Well, all six GOP aligned members of SCOTUS are and were members of the Federalist Society when they were appointed. Basically, since Reagan, GOP presidents appoint only Federalist Society groomed lawyers as justices to higher courts.
Major initial funding “came from the John M. Olin Foundation. Other early donors included the Scaife Foundation and the Koch family foundations. Donors to the Federalist Society have included Google, Chevron, Charles G. and David H. Koch; the family foundation of Richard Mellon Scaife; and the Mercer family.”
I have no problem with the official platform, although I disagree with it on most points. I have a huge problem with the fact that opposition to homosexual civil rights, abortion, and gun control have been and are used by the Federalist Society as stalking horses to cover its other huge agenda – shifting power to the wealthy and to corporations (e.g. money is speech). Significant resources from the Federalist Society have been used to fundamentally alter and the perspectives of and to groom young conservative legal talent.
“Follow the money.”
david fb
You don’t get what I’m saying. The taking away of the right to have an abortion is an issue, but it’s not the only issue, or even the main issue. The issue is the political right wing/evangelical right wing trying to shape the nation in the image that they want.
Everybody tries to shape the nation to the direction they want. That’s why people vote, donate to political causes and not-for-profits. The question then becomes will this court decision next month make a difference in the November elections? It may at the margins, but most people who care about the issue have been well sorted for years. Are you going to vote any differently now than you would have a couple of weeks ago?
At the same time, a recession (if there is going to be one) will be six months closer.
www.politico.com/news/2022/05/04/democrats-scotus-abortion-m…
One Democratic pollster, granted anonymity to discuss the issue candidly, acknowledged that the issue “will help at the margins,” but “to hold the House or Senate, we need inflation to go away.”…
“Midterm voters care about affordability first and foremost, and they are not people who are worried every single day about losing access to abortion,” said Julie Roginsky, a Democratic strategist who began her career as a researcher at the abortion rights group EMILY’s List. “My fear continues to be that sometimes we as Democrats run on things that we wish the voters cared about, rather than what the voters do care about.”
DB2