This overturn of precedent takes individual rights away.
Piece on the news last night: the LBGTQ community suspects it is the next target. Reportedly, Alito and Thomas have both said the decision wrt gay marriage “needs to be reviewed”, and, presumably, they have three allies on the court now.
Steve
When Gallup asked respondents what they thought was the most important problem facing the United States today, fewer than half of one percent answered abortion…"
It doesn’t have to be the most important issue , it may just be one of the important issues that motivates people to get to the ballot box.
Coke thought the “most important issue” in the war with Pepsi was sweetness. It turns out it wasn’t, not by a long shot. Many mistakes have been made while misreading data, and I suspect the polar opposites on both sides of this issue are making them.
I still expect the economy (*inflation) to be the biggest issue, but if there is another one which will galvanize a segment to be sure to vote I suspect this is it.
I still expect the economy (*inflation) to be the biggest issue, but if there is another one which will galvanize a segment to be sure to vote I suspect this is it.
Time will tell. These things are not fixed.
It could be a tax cut for the wealthy and a tax hike on most working Americans is the bigger issue. People are not stupid.
By November the transformation of NATO, Russia, and Ukraine will become enormous, whle China’s crude policies seem to be leading corporations to rebase in Americas and Europe. Many things will spring from those transformations, whether for good or ill, and the scale of those events when tied to inflated gas prices etc., might weigh much more than people currently imagine.
Not to mention that the slow heating of water doesn’t cook frogs, they do jump before dying, but when is somewhat random; and GCC could become extremely Jump Right Now with a bad enough random incident of flooding burning droughting…
We do not know yet, and most of what we imagine and hear is simply the same damn water being pumped through the same damn 4 year habitual cycle of recycled fountain splashing noise. Recycled fountains do not supply water and recycling news cycles are devoid of information.
Horse race Horse race, place yer bets!
david fb
Do you think the factions who have been working to overturn Roe for nearly 50 years would let themselves be circumvented so easily?
Yes. Politicians don’t believe in anything. Except getting elected and re-elected. The only reason they would pass laws against abortion is to garner votes from people who truly do believe it is immoral/bad/evil/whatever. As long as the pols can say “see, I did something”, that’s good enough in almost all cases. The followup described above is rarely necessary to keep those votes.
True – during the first trimester. 65% say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second trimester and 80% in the third trimester.
The other 20% are ignorant about what “trimester” means.
The question then becomes will this court decision next month make a difference in the November elections? It may at the margins, but most people who care about the issue have been well sorted for years. Are you going to vote any differently now than you would have a couple of weeks ago?
From CNN:
www.cnn.com/2022/05/06/politics/cnn-poll-abortion-midterms-r…
But comparing the results of the new poll to one conducted immediately before the revelation of the draft opinion, the impact on the political landscape heading into the 2022 midterms appears fairly muted.
The share of registered voters who say they are extremely or very enthusiastic about voting this fall rose 6 points between the first survey and the second, but that increase is about even across party lines. Among Democrats, 43% now say they are extremely or very enthusiastic, up 7 points. Among Republicans, it’s 56%, up 9 points.
And voters who say overturning Roe would make them “happy” are nearly twice as enthusiastic about voting this fall as those who say such a ruling would leave them “angry” (38% extremely enthusiastic among those happy, 20% among those angry).
DB2
Passing a Federal law will have no effect, because the court has said that the states have the authority to regulate abortion. A Federal law would be negated by the court.
A constitutional amendment is required.
At any rate, you gentlemen underestimate the effect of illegal abortions and repeated pregnancies on our society. Some women are disabled, some made infertile, and some killed. There is already a dire need for affordable daycare, and the typical family can’t pay for more than one child. Women will drop out of the workforce–think about 1951. This means fewer automobiles bought, fewer clothes bought (kids wear hand me downs), fewer families who can afford housing, and more men trying to work two jobs.
This could well drive our society toward socialism, among the less dire effects.
“could well drive our society toward socialism”
You say that as if it were a bad thing.
In fact, a move toward socialism is very much needed. (but banning abortion is terrible way to achieve that)
Passing a Federal law will have no effect, because the court has said that the states have the authority to regulate abortion. A Federal law would be negated by the court.
Not at all. Argue that abortion violates the “Constitutional legal due process rights” of the fetus.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
You can’t execute someone post-birth without a trial, so you can’t execute a fetus without a trial. And what are key features of a trial?
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transc…
So, until the fetus is able to confront those seeking it’s death, and plead it’s case, it can’t be executed.
/removing Justice Alito hat
Steve
Passing a Federal law will have no effect, because the court has said that the states have the authority to regulate abortion. A Federal law would be negated by the court. A constitutional amendment is required.
Not really. For example, drugs – both legal and illegal – are regulated at the state and federal levels.
DB2
Most people would not consider a fetus a person. But that is a philosophical discussion we don’t want to get into.
In US law, a fetus is not a person. The US Census counts the “whole number of persons in each State”, but does not count pregnancies. Some are trying to pass laws to redefine what a person is in US law.
14th amendment Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State …
2020 Census Questionnaire
“A newborn should be counted if he or she was born on or before April 1, 2020.”
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/11/big-push-to-c….
Ideologs, demagouges and idiots prefer black/white, good/evil, like/dislike over any forms of gray, complexities, and subtlety. The abortion madness is a direct result of this fact and the domination of modern thought by twits and would be arbiters of all things.
Humans do not suddenly spring into existence from nothingness except within dogmas reflective of bizarre medieval christian dogmas about the virgin birth that “Life begins when the Holy Spirit sends a soul into a womb, and that happens when an egg is fertilized either by semen or by an act of god.” A soul arriving is a black white event. Actual conception is a huge gray smear, and all known human cultures thought about it that way until the missionaries showed up. Even the Jewish Holy Texts speak of pregnancy as gray when it comes to compensation for violence. Where I live in Mexico there is a very very strong custom of not giving a baby a name until it has aged at least a few weeks, has opened its eyes and focused, and has been taking in milk rather than colostrum. Why? Because the “humaness” needing a name is in the last stages of happening and to give a name too soon is dangerous.
Same problems occur all over our idiotic illiteracy and dogmatic Manichean certainties about economics, ethics, etc…
The real world occurs in gorgeous rich grays and in-bwtween colors and complexities that defy binaries, thanks be to God.
david fb
Where I live in Mexico there is a very very strong custom of not giving a baby a name until it has aged at least a few weeks, has opened its eyes and focused, and has been taking in milk rather than colostrum. Why? Because the “humaness” needing a name is in the last stages of happening and to give a name too soon is dangerous.
There are cultures where a baby is not named until it’s year or more old.
Mostly in Africa.
Why?
Well, in some parts of Africa you can expect to lose about a quarter of your children to malaria, another quarter to sickle cell anemia, and a substantial share to other diseases. (Then there’s starvation, wars, wild animals…) Don’t want to make too much of an emotional investment in a newborn baby, with odds like that.
There are a few, not many, places outside Africa that face similarly poor prospects.
(In the US in the 1850s, a newborn baby boy and a 25-year-old man had approximately the same estimated remaining lifespan. Because of childhood illnesses killing so many. Wasn’t as extreme as faced by some African tribes though.)
Polls have shown a pretty consistent 60% of USians favoring abortion availability, for decades.
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Then it is time they get active and use their vote, hold their elected representatives accountable. Midterms are coming up.
https://law.marquette.edu/poll/
A new Marquette Law School Poll national survey finds little evidence that partisan motivation to vote in the 2022 elections has been altered by the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, which had established a right to an abortion. There has been much speculation that this June decision, in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, would change the November outlook.
Yet a comparison of the Marquette Law School Poll’s May and July national survey data finds few elements of change in motivation to vote or in vote choice…
DB2