And as an open air prison for 16 years so that IDF could shoot Palestinians like fish in a barrel.
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Your one sided narrative is naïve!
Sad
I always knew you were an Israeli only cowboy. Your bias is extreme.
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The Israelis were downright stupid in pulling out of Gaza. They had no plans or inkling of what would happen to 2 million people locked in an open air prison. They just locked the prison, threw away the keys and walked away thinking they could ignore the Palestinians forever.
Inmates is jails riot and kill when their conditions are intolerable. They have no other option.
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He quoted from the article I posted a link to, which is from an Israeli newspaper. Why would the newspaper article not be slanted? I saw the same piece, as published in an Arab newspaper. Exactly the same text about the airport, but not blaming the Pals for any failure of the peace accords.
Steve
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I am unabashedly pro-Israeli. You are not just now discovering that.
Israel and the US may pull down Iran if given an excuse. That would be one less player arming Russia.
Do you want Ukraine free but no one else?
How many Russian soldiers have been killed by Ukrainians? Life is life. Should Ukraine just roll over so that there is no loss of Russian life?
The Palestinian forces in the Gaza Strip are Greater Syrian forces backed by Russia and Iran.
The power politics are half a%% republics versus sheer dictators. You are sitting in both camps. Only for Ukraine do you really come out of the Russian camp. I get you do not see that.
Ukraine using longer-range US missiles today took out one or two Russian air bases or strips. Those were aimed at both Ukraine and possibly at defending Iran.
The Neocons said the same when they talked us into invading Iraq. What a disaster that was. No one could find all the weapons of mass distruction.
If anyone thinks of taking on Iran, lets hope we have much better intelligence and a well thought out plan. Certainly we cannot trust the so called experts.
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We would not hold Iran or invade Iran. We can knock out their military. We can knock out and take out their nuclear program. Iran is not Iraq when it comes to intelligence failures about a nuclear program.
The issue is if we do take out the program will we need to repeatedly take out more Iranian nuclear programs with no brakes on them the next time?
Has Iran already decided to move forward and we the public have not been told?
The powers that be are not in the dark. We are. Part of that negotiations with Iran need fewer chefs in the kitchen. It is popular to knock Iran but not that simple.
Once more, the important thing to remember about Israel’s situation (or at least its perception of its situation) is that there are no good options. Only less-bad options.
Israel’s presence in Gaza in 2005 wasn’t reducing the violence, and was perceived as being inflammatory. Reoccupying Gaza sporadically with IDF troops didn’t help. When they left, I think the hope was that Hamas, having obtained de facto governing power, might use it to improve the lot of the Gazan population instead of just trying to kill Jews. Unfortunately, Hamas refused to recognize that Israel could exist, and still continued to regularly launch rockets into Israel. That led the UN and EU cut off all diplomatic discussions and aid to the Palestinian Authority - immiserating the Gazan people terribly. Israel named the Hamas-led Gaza area a hostile power and closed the border (which is what most nations would do when adjoining a hostile power). Egypt did the same, for different reasons.
Was that “stupid”? I don’t think so. The situation prior to withdrawal was untenable.
Withdrawing at least gave the PA a chance to establish political control of the area. But once Hamas took over Gaza completely, there was really no way that Israel could maintain an open border with the area. The aims of Hamas are not limited to establishing a Palestinian state, but also include the destruction of Israel and the expulsion/extermination of the Jews. “From the river to the sea,” and all that. After they became the governing body in Gaza, the border was not going to be open.
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Pretty sure the Palestinians have no good options either.
Prison camp or what? Israel controls their land, sea and air access.
And expands ‘settlements’ in the West Bank.
What would you expect to happen?
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That is certainly true - they have no good options, either.
Unfortunately for them, though, unlike the Israelis they do not have the power to choose any “less-bad” options. There are a very large proportion of Palestinians who would have agreed to the two-state solution on offer in Oslo. That was a deal that would have been worse than a second state based on 1948 boundaries or one that included a right of return of Palestinians to areas within the Israeli portion of the 1948 boundaries. But it would have been less bad than the two generations of misery in Gaza and other Palestinian refugee camps.
But while that might have been less bad for the Palestinian people, it would have been more bad for the Palestinian cause. There are a number of actors that have power to affect these outcomes (Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, among others) that believe the only acceptable outcome is a one-state solution. So they take steps to ensure that a less-bad solution never gets adopted.
Unfortunately, the Palestinians that would prefer the less-bad outcome lack the power to push back on these other actors. They can’t stop Hamas from having control over Gaza, and they can’t stop Iran from funding them. They can’t implement an agreement to any two-state solution, because Hamas will insist (through non-democratic power) on using the second state to continue its efforts to expel the Jews from the area. Which eliminates most of the Palestinians’ options.
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The Syrians who went with Russia have even worse options. The Palestinians in Gaza often by no fault of their own are Greater Syrian forces.
Blah blah blah …
Do you have nothing to add?
You are culturally used to living with a dictatorship. The rest of us have zero intentions of doing so.
The accident last night again the Islamic Jihad and Hamas had no regard for the Palestinian people. Lying to them was wrong. Mistakes accidents happen. Friendly fire. Lies are low and mean. It is very hurtful if you trust someone when they lie to you.
We continue to hear you can win wars without troops on the ground. It’s been tried over and over. If you actually want control better to occupy the territory.
Maybe Isreal made that mistake in leaving Gaza.
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No, possibly fewer Gazans died because there was a separation. I want to see a wider separation.
We had half a million on the ground in 'Nam. Never had “control”. How many did the Russians have in Afghanistan? How many did we have on the ground in Afghanistan? If the locals don’t want to be occupied and controlled by foreigners, how many does it take?
Steve
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What is control? We can not have that.
We do not need to have a military messing around in our business. That is a different matter.
Sure don’t look like no JDAM landed there.
DB2
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