Happens every single time there is turmoil.
https://www.insider.com/people-searching-how-move-canada-aft…
Of course few actually show up.
Tim
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Brrrr!! Where are the warm sunny beaches?
Population is growing faster in Canada (as a percentage), with plans for more immigration. In the U.S., the birth rate is decreasing, the death rate is increasing, and immigration is taboo. A more slowly growing population has advantages, but overall GDP will also grow slower (percent growth).
Canada U.S.A.
Year population population ratio
1941 11,506,655 133,058,000 11.6
1951 14,009,429 153,384,000 10.9
1961 18,238,247 182,953,000 10.0
1971 21,568,311 206,827,000 9.6
1976 22,992,604 217,563,000 9.5
1981 24,343,181 229,466,000 9.4
1986 25,309,331 240,133,000 9.5
1991 27,296,859 252,981,000 9.3
1996 28,846,761 269,394,000 9.3
2001 30,007,094 285,082,000 9.5
2006 31,612,897 298,593,000 9.4
2011 33,476,688 311,583,000 9.3
2016 35,151,728 323,100,000 9.2
**2021 36,991,981 331,893,745 9.0**
2026 41,750,000 346,481,000 8.3
2031 44,430,000 357,147,000 8.0
2036 47,130,000 366,676,000 7.8
2041 49,900,000 375,152,000 7.5
2046 52,910,000 382,907,000 7.2
2051 56,070,000 390,431,000 7.0
2056 59,400,000 398,118,000 6.7
2061 63,000,000 404,483,000 6.4
U.S.A. Live Natural Crude birth rate Crude death rate Natural change Total
year population births Deaths change (per 1,000) (per 1,000) (per 1,000) fertility rate
1941 133,058,000 2,703,000 1,397,642 1,305,358 20.3 10.5 9.8 2.40
1951 153,384,000 3,823,000 1,482,099 2,340,901 24.8 9.6 15.3 3.27
1961 182,953,000 4,268,326 1,701,522 2,566,804 23.3 9.3 14 3.63
1971 206,827,000 3,555,970 1,927,542 1,628,428 17.2 9.3 7.9 2.27
1976 217,563,000 3,167,788 1,909,440 1,258,348 14.6 8.8 5.8 1.74
1981 229,466,000 3,629,238 1,977,981 1,651,257 15.8 8.6 7.2 1.81
1986 240,133,000 3,756,547 2,105,361 1,651,186 15.6 8.8 6.9 1.84
1991 252,981,000 4,110,907 2,169,518 1,941,389 16.2 8.6 7.7 2.06
1996 269,394,000 3,891,494 2,314,690 1,576,804 14.4 8.6 5.9 1.98
2001 285,082,000 4,025,933 2,416,425 1,609,508 14.1 8.5 5.6 2.03
2006 298,593,000 4,265,555 2,426,264 1,839,291 14.3 8.1 6.2 2.11
2011 311,583,000 3,953,590 2,515,458 1,438,412 12.7 8.1 4.6 1.89
2016 323,100,000 3,945,875 2,744,248 1,201,627 12.2 8.5 3.7 1.82
2021 331,893,745 3,659,289 3,470,428 188,861 11 10.4 0.6 1.66
— links —
“In October 2020, the Trudeau government announced its plans to bring in more than 1.2 million immigrants over the subsequent three years, to catch up to the high-growth scenario.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada#Census_da…
"The United States Census Bureau’s 2017 projections were produced using the cohort-component method. In the cohort-component method, the components of population change (fertility, mortality, and net migration) are projected separately for each birth cohort (persons born in a given year). "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta…
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Cuba.
Jk
I’m too old for Canada to let me in. However, if the Shinyland powers that be decide I am so “undesirable” they deport me, my dad’s birth certificate says his parents were born in Canada, so that is where TPTB will have to send me. Then Canada would welcome me as a refugee.
It’s only a 40 mile move for me. I could do that in an afternoon.
Steve
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In the U.S., … and immigration is taboo.
I’m trying to find some justification or refutation for that claim.
So far, no luck - I found that, according to surveys, a majority of people are and long have been dissatisfied with the current level of immigration, but the site is missing a critical piece of information: in what way are they dissatisfied?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/217972/satisfaction-with…
(I’m among the dissatisfied, although not among those surveyed: I think we have far too many illegal immigrants per year - they are by definition breaking the law, and our domestic supply of law-breakers is more than sufficient so we don’t need any imports at all - but not nearly enough legal immigrants, we need to at least double the recent average flow.)
Meanwhile we admitted over 1.8 million legal immigrants in 1991, and haven’t admitted fewer than 600,000 in any year since about 1987. (I’d like to see if 1.8 million a year is about the right number over a few years.)
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Ann…
(Another thing that would help is if the media would tell the truth. A crackdown on illegal immigrants is not suppression of legal immigrants. A ban on immigration from four small countries with really poor or unreliable record-keeping, three of which are Moslem-majority, is not a ban on Moslem immigrants.)
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"Brrrr!! Where are the warm sunny beaches? "
Lake Erie - for about a week in July.
Howie52
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Brrrr!! Where are the warm sunny beaches?
Lots of nice warm sunny beaches in summer time. Have you had your annual Melanoma lecture?
Tim <https://ca.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=AwrE1x…
https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/warm-welcome-for-ye…
Warm welcome for Vancouver Island’s first heat wave of the year
Temperatures in the high 20s through at least Tuesday
Jeff Bell Jun 24, 2022 4:45 AM
It is not at all easy to get Canadian citizenship.
It is not at all easy to get Canadian citizenship.
One of the most popular ways for foreigners to do it is to go to a Canadian University as a foreign student. Our immigration guys found it a great hunting ground to fill their quota during the pandemic.
Tim
https://www.cicnews.com/2021/06/why-canada-is-prioritizing-i…
Why Canada is prioritizing immigration during the pandemic
Scotiabank economist Marc Desormeaux shares why immigration is a key national priority.
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The benefits of immigration
The benefits of immigration to Canada are far-reaching and synergistic, both for the newcomers who make Canada their home as well as the country itself. The reasons Canada is expanding its immigration plans include:
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Brrrr!! Where are the warm sunny beaches?
Between Ucluelet and Tofino.
Unfortunately, in the season when it’s warm, the long beach there (named Long Beach - these folks have incredible imaginations) is seriously overcrowded. See if you can find some of the small beaches - I knew of a few in Ucluelet, but I haven’t been there (but once for a few hours) since I was about 7, so I doubt I could give you directions based on the landmarks that existed then.
(Back then you could go to Long Beach in midafternoon on a sunny summer Saturday, and probably not see anyone who didn’t go there with you.)
So many reminders from the Handmaid’s Tale series are spooking a lot of folks, sadly they are the elderly, beyond our abilities to contribute in the ways needed, other than likely financial…
Not a lot of trips, but all memorable, one where as we came in, the bider agent jokingly covered his patch and we discussed to current political mess until the line of cars behind us got to be more than they should be, so we moved along… I think on that same trip we’d stopped at a visitor center on the Canadian side, very nice chat with the folks there, then we we left, a Canadian fellow who had just left, was out on the highway, but turned back, came in alongside us in the parking lot, just to say hello, thanks for coming, agreeing with the discussion he’d over heard, and a heartfelt request for us to come on back…
Memorable…
weco
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My brother and his wife did. New Foundland. He retired for a minute or two, now teaches at some university.
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Cuba.
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I’m among the dissatisfied, although not among those surveyed: I think we have far too many illegal immigrants per year
Understood. But they are the back bone of a large part of our economy. And at low wages with no benefits or security. Let’s ask Tyson Foods if they really want to stop illegal immigration. Or the dairy farmers I know in north Texas. Or the workers at hotels and resorts. You get the idea. Oh, and good luck getting “us” to do those jobs. We’ve tried that already. Just one example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/15/north…
I know everyone hates inflation. But I honestly think we were in for it one way or another. If we really would have brought a ton of jobs back, at American wages and benefits, that’s inflation. Stimulus to keep people out of poverty during a pandemic? That’s inflation. We were going to get it one way or another. This economy of ours has run on poverty level wages for far too long now.
Now, if we can just start to realize that domestic fossil fuels are not how we get to be “energy independent” and free of global oil shocks…
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Not a lot of trips, but all memorable, one where as we came in, the bider agent jokingly covered his patch
Memorable trip to Montreal for Expo 67, with my dad. He elected to drive up through Ottawa and into Quebec, then down a little two lane rural highway toward Montreal. Pulled into a Sunoco station in the middle of the countryside. Pump jockey came out, walked around the back of the car, saw the Michigan plate, and broke out his total knowledge of English “200…210” (for those who remember how Sunoco used to grade it’s gas). I imagine he was relieved when dad answered in fluent Quebec French, with a Gaspe accent.
Dad was not one to plan anything, so we rolled into Montreal with no hotel reservation. He did have the address of some tourist housing assistance office, so parked on the street and started walking to the building. A guy was walking the other way on the sidewalk. As dad and the guy started to pass, I saw them stop and start talking. Dad turned around, got back in the car and announced “we have a place to stay”, as the other guy had just registered a spare bedroom in his townhouse with the tourist bureau. I don’t know if anyone in that family spoke a word of English. I never heard any.
Steve
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Brrrr!! Where are the warm sunny beaches?
Ontario beaches are no doubt on a par with Michigan beaches, so I’m acclimated.
I actually smelled an opportunity to move to Canada in the early 2000s. I was working in a Steelcase dealership, and one of the Steelcase corporate people who called on the dealership moved to Canada, to either work in a Steelcase office, or to run a dealership, on the Ontario shore of Lake Erie. It crossed my mind to schmooze the heck out of the guy and get an invite to work for him.
Steve
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But {illegal immigrants} are the back bone of a large part of our economy. And at low wages with no benefits or security. Let’s ask Tyson Foods if they really want to stop illegal immigration. Or the dairy farmers I know in north Texas. Or the workers at hotels and resorts. You get the idea. Oh, and good luck getting “us” to do those jobs.
Hm… and at the same time these illegal immigrants are allegedly working for practically nothing, in large areas of the country it’s hard to find a job that doesn’t pay significantly above minimum wage… (This year the minimum wage in Montana is $9.20/hr; hotel housekeepers in Missoula average over 1.5x that amount, and the burger joints are offering starting wages up to 1.75x. And both sorts of business wish they had more job applicants.)
Sounds to me like we need more US citizens and legal immigrants.
Sounds to me like we need more US citizens and legal immigrants.
I don’t disagree that we need more immigrants. Good luck on making that happen legally.
- Certain industries are quite happy with the pool of illegal immigrants. Including some industries that are very conservative (the dairy farmers I know, for example).
- Certain jobs we have found Americans simply will not do. Like the link I gave about farm work.
I’ll give another first hand example of this. Back in 2012 we were living in central Austin in a home that was older than me, and not as well maintained as me. We eventually learned that the home was built before PVC pipe was used for the sewer lines. That meant cast iron pipes, which rust and corrode, and have a life span. Our pipes were past that life span and as a result were all rotted and would back-up during heavy rains. A plumber had to tunnel under the slab, replace all the iron pipe with PVC, then backfill. The job was headed by a bilingual hispanic man (I have no idea if he was born here or not and frankly did not care). But his crew were all Spanish speaking.
The obviously American/Texan business owner gave me a speech that I know he’s told over and over and over again. “I can’t get a good-old boy to do this job, no matter how much I pay them. Literally, I mean that. I could pay $200k a year, they won’t do it”. Think about it. Corroded, leaky sewer pipes. From things like toilets. What do you think those workers were digging through?
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The job was headed by a bilingual hispanic man (I have no idea if he was born here or not and frankly did not care). But his crew were all Spanish speaking.
Entirely normal for recent immigrants. In my decades of wandering, I have heard Spanish, Dutch, Arabic, and Polish, on the street or in advertising targeting those demographics. You should see the local Detroit media going nuts over paczki every year.
People will tend to gravitate to places that seem to offer a better opportunity. Right now, Shinyland offers a better opportunity that certain Central American banana republics. But, as one USian thought leader observed a few years ago, no-one wants to move here from Norway.
Steve
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