OT: Swedish immigration

Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime
www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swedish-pm-says-integration-of-immigran…
Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said on Thursday, as she launched a series of initiatives to combat organized crime…

“Segregation has been allowed to go so far that we have parallel societies in Sweden. We live in the same country but in completely different realities,” Andersson told a news conference.

The number of people in Sweden born abroad has doubled in the last two decades to 2 million, or a fifth of the population.

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Well, that was a year ago, and things haven’t gotten better.

“For years Sweden has suffered from high rates of gang-related violence, but for the past two years it has been relentless.”

The September 13 shooting in Cervin’s building in Uppsala, 70 kilometres (45 miles) north of Stockholm, was aimed at the mother-in-law of Rawa Majid, the “Kurdish Fox”, and head of the notorious Foxtrot gang…“I had no idea she was related to him,” Cervin said. “That’s what makes so many people scared – the people involved have friends and relatives all over the place.”…

Gangs now recruit kids to carry out contract killings – some younger than 15 – knowing they can’t be jailed…Prime Minister Kristersson has blamed the rise in organised crime on “naivety” over immigration.

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Much the same in the United Kingdom I’m afraid

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Everybody taking in refugees should be checking out Canada. They actually thought through a lot of the problems seen elsewhere. It took civil involvement at a deep level, and intense commitment to full integration. It also helps that Canada has much less of a nationalism with exclusive quasi-religious features, as do the French and the Swedes.

for a mixed full review of both success and failings in Canada see

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That’s exactly what happened in Lebanon back at the 70s. Beirut was a cosmopolitan city, multinational coexistence. Of course Beirut was westernized and the Palestinians sought to destroy a peaceful society and bring their version of Gaza to prevail over the people.

Today, Travellers who hold a Palestinian passport are refused entry to Lebanon. The people of Lebanon learned a harsh lesson, the Swedes should have taken note that the Palestinian immigrats only want to form gangs and spit on Western Laws and Democracies. The Palestinians are only interested in mob violence and shria law.

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That is the kind of broad stereotyping that is causing problems all over the world.

Someone living outside of the US could make a similar statement about Americans. That statement would be just as wrong as yours.

—Peter

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True. The point in sight here is allowing Palestinians to migrate into western countries. My cousins lived in Malmo, worked there and had to leave. I used to go there in the 80s and 90s. He eventually told me to meet up in another small town a few years ago, because in his words, “the Palestinians have turned Malmo into crime zone, it’s become the Beirut of the North.”
He said you can’t even leave your car unlocked for 4 minutes. The Palestinians don’t want to work, they call themselves refugees and expect the Swedish Government to pay for the problems they have had to live through.
My cousins both relocated avout 10 years ago. Most Swedes believe that the Palestinians will have to be “walled in” like the Israelis do in Jenin. Most Swedes are moving to small towns where it’s safe and traditional, and praying that the Palestinians don’t follow them.

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So you’re doubling down on the bigotry. Got it.

—Peter

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Geert Wilders: the anti-Islam, anti-EU populist who could be next Dutch PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/geert-wilders-the-anti-islam-anti-eu-populist-who-could-be-next-dutch-pm/ar-AA1knxmA
After 25 years in Dutch politics without holding office, Wilders was set to lead coalition government talks and has a good chance of becoming prime minister. An exit poll on Wednesday evening showed the PVV in a clear lead, 10 seats ahead of its closest rival, Frans Timmermanns’ Labor/Green Left combination.

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Have you been to Malmo?

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Almost 15 years ago, the Simon Wiesenthal Center issued a travel warning on Malmo.

“The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a leading Jewish Human Rights NGO, has announced it is issuing a travel advisory concerning Sweden due to harassment of Jewish citizens in the southern city of Malmo, the third largest city in Sweden.”

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From 2019:

“Malmo’s Jewish community has declined amid frequent threats and attacks, mostly by Muslims, from 1,200 several years ago to an estimated 800 or fewer members today. Malmo has about 300,000 residents in total, of whom more than a third were either born in Muslim countries or to immigrants from such countries, according to the municipality’s own data.”

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The Prime Minister of Sweden gave an address to the nation earlier this fall.

What has caused all of this? How did it get to this point?

The fact is, many of us saw it coming and gave warning. Serious organised crime has been emerging for more than a decade. Over a ten-year period, gun violence has increased threefold.

Political naivety and cluelessness have brought us to this point. Irresponsible immigration policy and failed integration have brought us to this point.

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No, we don’t.

Around 8,400 “foreign born” are from Palestine. Contrast that with e.g. a total of ~410,000 from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

(Source: https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statistics/statistics-by-subject-area/population/population-composition/population-statistics/)

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Yes. Palestinian is much to narrow a classification for the problems Sweden is facing.

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The BBC was covering that last night. His faction took 35 seats, out of something like 150. Hardly a mandate for bigotry. The three next largest parties, reportedly, don’t want to have anything to do with him.

Steve

Forming a government in the Netherlands is often difficult. One possibility would be a right coalition. A reporter for CNBC International writes:

Sarah de Lange, professor in the Department of Political Science at the University of Amsterdam, said the most likely outcome appears to be a right-wing government comprised of the PVV [Wilders’ party], Rutte’s conservative VVD Party, and Pieter Omtzigt’s New Social Contract party, which was formed in August with a pledge to “do politics differently.”

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Yeah. It’s Finland, not Sweden.
Russia has identified and is exploiting a weakness in Western philosophy?

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ralph

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“The last government of Prime Minister Mark Rutte took a record 271 days to form. It could take even longer this time…Most analysts do not expect a government to be formed before mid-2024.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dutch-election-what-happens-next/ar-AA1ksyhG

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It doesn’t look good for forming a coalition of leftist parties. From this summer:

It was Rutte’s fourth government – a fragile, four-party coalition of his People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), the liberal democratic Democrats 66, the Christian Democratic Appeal (CDA) and centrist ChristenUnie. It took 10 months to agree its formation and it lasted less than 18 months.

The coalition of radically different outlooks was brought down over the issue of immigration.

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Sounds much like the French “Third Republic” during the 1930s. My dad, a native French speaker, living in NYC at the time, read French media, and commented on how turbulent France was, with multi-party coalitions collapsing the moment something controversial came up. He was a firm believer in the USian system, as it tends to prevent “third parties” getting any traction, thus eliminating the need for fragile coalitions.

Steve

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