Pandemic of the vaccinated

"The waning efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines and increasingly contagious strains of the virus being spread to elderly and immunocompromised people have resulted in more deaths among those who have taken at least one vaccine dose, a Washington Post analysis published Wednesday finds.

“Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted,” the Post reported…

“We can no longer say this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” said Kaiser Family Foundation vice president Cynthia Cox, who conducted the analysis on behalf of the Post.

DB2

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One vaccine dose is not vaccinated. One or two boosters is not fully vaccinated. What percent of these “vaccinated” mortalities are fully vaccinated and fully boosted. That means 2 vaccines, 2 regular boosters, and 1 bivalent booster? Are people who are not fully vaxxed and boosted are the vast majority of those in the Fox News report?

As one might expect this story buried the lead.

Top health officials have repeatedly urged Americans to complete their primary vaccine series and get boosted to maximize vaccine protection against COVID-19.

People using birth control contentiously do get pregnant. People using birth control less rigorously are called parents. Fully immunized people will get COVID and some will die. The COVID vaccines are not 100% effective. As far as I know, death is the only 100% certainty in health care. We will all meet it at least once.

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I would have thought that the metrics which PF seeks should be available, but for some reason I haven’t seen them published. We are embarked on the path towards “herd immunity” in a fashion which would have been abhorrent to those who are currently running the government if they were proposed by the group who has been replaced. It’s high time we put politics behind us and allowed scientists to publish their findings (and to sift the collected data with an aim towards answers to obvious questions regarding the protective efficacy of the current vaccine protocol.

Jeff
(Who has had a pair of vaccines, two boosters and a bi-valent vaccine - and is planning another in mid-January ahead of a long trip)

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Exactly what I was thinking. For we geezers, the initial two jabs were March/April 2021, over a year and a half ago. First booster series was a year ago. Data has been well published about how immunity from the vax weakens, so, hardly surprising that someone that went to a mass vax event a year and a half ago, and nothing since, is supposedly “fully vaxed”, by the yardstick used by naysayers, yet has zero protection against the current variants.

Steve

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I don’t know. It may be in the Kaiser report (which I believe they put out quarterly). The “classification” was in the original:
“We can no longer say this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” said Kaiser Family Foundation vice president Cynthia Cox, who conducted the analysis on behalf of the Post.

As you may or may not have noted, the original report was from The Washington Post.

DB2

FWIW, in Europe they currently recommend the boosters only for the elderly and those with high-risk medical conditions.

“At the moment, there is no clear evidence to support giving a second booster dose to people below 60 years of age who are not at higher risk severe disease. Neither is there clear evidence to support giving early second boosters to healthcare workers or those working in long-term care homes unless they are at high risk.”

DB2

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From the article:
The death among vaccinated people is increasing due to the waning efficacy of Covid vaccines…

The Covid vaccines wear off in effectiveness as time passes. So if one stops obtaining the vaccines:Are they really vaccinated? IMO they are not. Opinions will differ I suppose.

How about some numbers? As of this report, dated November 22, 22, only 11% of eligible people have received the Omicron vax. People who have not had a shot since the first booster round, a year ago, are unprotected. People who had covid a year ago are unprotected. People who haven’t had a covid shot since the initial series a year and a half ago are unprotected.

Steve

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I have no idea what you mean by long trip based on your last one.
:slight_smile:

But back on the topic…

The 58% number is close to meaningless without knowing the size of each group. For example, a headline last week claimed 94% of the population was vaccinated and/or had been infected.
If, for example, 58% are counted as vaccinated/boosted then that implies that there is no difference.

And, as others have already pointed out the data should be presented as a function of how long since their last shot by death rate. Maybe we’d see that there is a big uptick after 3 or 4 months…or 6 months, or whatever.

Mike

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Here’s the CDC data if you want to parse it:
https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/d6p8-wqjm/data

DB2

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They already parsed it:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

  • Stay up to date on your COVID-19 vaccinations. People of any age who are vaccinated have a lower risk of dying, with the most protection observed among people who have received boosters or additional doses. Use CDC’s booster tool to find out if and when to get your COVID-19 updated (bivalent) booster. Find a vaccine location in your community.
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TLDR
I downloaded the data…looks like it would take hours to figure it out. But they do not show death as a function of time since a shot vs no shot.

Mike

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