Just buy the real stuff and $TSN. It‘s a pretty cheap stock.
I don’t have a problem when people make purchasing decisions like this. Or even investing decisions. We can all decide whom we give our money to. It’s a completely different story when the government starts doing that. Like the retribution against Disney, for example.
I’ve also never understood the backlash against being woke. Or maybe some people prefer to stay asleep.
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Thirty years ago, the dog whistle used to cover appeals to racism and homophobia was “traditional family values”. I still hear that from time to time now, but “woke” seems to be the new dog whistle.
Figuratively, a ‘dog whistle’ is a coded message communicated through words or phrases commonly understood by a particular group of people, but not by others.
Steve
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Maybe you don’t appreciate the full outcome of woke…
The Captain
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It is (the state cannot sign a contract with them) but they are not excluded from doing business in the states.
“Democratic Attorney General Rob Bonta added Florida, Arkansas, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia to the list that now has 17 states where state employee travel is forbidden except under limited circumstances.”
DB2
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Woke isn’t a dog whistle; it is not hidden. It has become a generic term for being too liberal/leftist. For example, the California ban on travel to 17 states could be described by someone as being woke.
DB2
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I am, like many, a “meat and potatoes” type eater. As it turns out, I dislike most vegetables and hate a few, yet I am cognizant of how they are necessary for my digestive system.
If I could eat vegetables without them being vegetables, I think I would be a happy guy. I don’t know, a nice juicy cheeseburger that’s actually a cheeseburger, coupled with some bacon slices that are actually broccoli? Maybe something I could pretend is healthy 
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I’ve heard about meat cultured from stem cells, but I didn’t realize that it was widely available.
I hope that they can ramp up production enough to make it cheaper than traditionally produced meat. This would make traditionally produced meat obsolete, and that would be great for the environment, for the animals, and for human health.
I don’t think these are artificially grown meat, rather they are made out of pea protein and about 100 other esoteric ingredients.
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Which I do not understand! Why 100 weirdo ingredients? I heard that two of them are not even FDA approved. (So how can they even be using them…?) What is so hard about arriving at a suitable (not perfect!) texture that requires all those ingredients? The flavor? That should be easy enough to simulate (not duplicate!) in a lab with normal edible safe-for-human-consumption ingredients. Especially for their sausages. Just use a sausage recipe for heck’s sake. Anybody remember who Rube Goldberg was? Beyond Meat is a Rube Goldberg way of doing things.
And in case no one has noticed, all those Beyond Meat products are high in saturated fat. Probably the main thing most people trying to eat less meat are concerned about. Why infuse a “safer/healthier” “plant based” product with saturated fat? Just eat the regular beef or pork version but cut back the portion size. Same or even less sat.fat + better more complete protein.
I will admit to buying them and actually liking them. Especially the sausages. Really good! But I see no ethical, social, economic, dietary, or medical reasons to keep buying them.
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First, thanks for posting the article about California’s sanctions. I did not know that.
As for “woke” being a dog whistle promoting racist and homophobic policies, consider the rhubarb being whipped up over the University of Florida Med School trying to teach doctors to not be racist, and making an extra effort to recruit students that are other than white.
The report from Do No Harm, a group of medical workers against divisive racial policies in medicine, explains that the college uses “equity” initiatives to train a new generation of “antiracists” in medical fields — two terms at the core of critical race theory. Those initiatives include active recruitment of “underrepresented groups,” suggested readings on diversity and equity for aspiring student and a code of ethics that explains how to address implicit bias.
Steve
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Did CA actually BAN that travel, or did CA just decide to not PAY for travel to those states for STATE functions?
Ie, if a CA state employee wants to attend some function/meeting in a state (FL, MT, etc), that employee must pay her/his own way.
CA will not cover the travel costs.
That’s very different than the allusion that CA is dictating what is or is not acceptable.
If CA simply has decided to not pay for a state employee to attend functions, but the employee is free to fund his/her own travel, then the way the statement is written is misleading echo chamber, filter bubble, misinformation, disinformation, dog whistle*, biased manipulation.
TLDR. So, my comments are requests for clarification.
ralph
- for some people/dogs, just saying the word “California” can initiate a knee jerk negative response in the dog being whistled up.
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The state will not pay. If the individual chooses to pay, their choice. Remember: This is to take part in some official function normally approved by the state. There are exceptions where the state will pay the cost, even if the event is held in a location not approved by the state.
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I always thought it was a term to stop discussions that people didn’t want to have. I thought people used the term to take away free speech and limit the conversation to only terms other people wanted to have. It seems like a small minded term.
Andy
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The linked article says: Lawmakers in 2016 banned non-essential travel to states with laws that discriminate “Non-essential” is the key phrase. If the trip is “non-essential” I would ask why the state would pay for it in the first place, regardless where the destination was.
Broadly, sanctions against repressive regimes are a well established policy. Look at what the US had been doing to Iran for 40 years, or to Cuba for 60 years. If a state decides to sanction another state for repressing a subgroup of it’s population, why not?
As we can see in the article about the U of Florida Med School, accusations of being “woke” are a risk for companies too. If a company has an affirmative action program, it will certainly be sanctioned for being “woke”. If a company has a job fair in a predominately minority neighborhood, it could be sanctioned as “woke”. Companies are going to be navigating a minefield, between being accused of racism/homophobia in some states, and being accused of “woke” in other states.
Steve
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Amdist all the idiocy about the word “Woke” from both sides let me remind everyone here that the word DOES have a longstanding real, crucial and longstanding meaning in USA politics, closely tied to the founding of the Republican Party. See Wide Awakes - Wikipedia.
The profound ignorance of current political scribblers (they sure ain’t my kind of journalists) as to our history has helped racists, homophobes, and just plain wildeyed demagogues get away with wild misrepresentations about the word “woke,” which had little use on the left and with equal rights types like me until the right wing demagogues seized on it as a threatening blackish sounding meme.
Most of the participants here are awake. Good. Special kudos, again, to Steve.
As to artificial meats i am all for them. I love blood. I love steak. And our current ways of creating red meat to eat are devastatingly costly.
david fb
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Here is a better link on the actual original uses of “wide awake” and “woke”
david fb
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Another history:
The phrase “woke” and to “stay woke” is not new — it began appearing in the 1940s and was first used by African Americans to “literally mean becoming woken up or sensitised to issues of justice”, says linguist and lexicographer Tony Thorne.
DB2
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Ahh, but it’s impossible to beat a good Lamb Shank, Rack of Lamb… If it’s on the menu, it’s my choice!
Out here in NorCal, we have Cattleman’s, fantastic steaks, Harris Ranch Beef, Ribs, our Bell/WeCo Retirees group were doing quarterly luncheons locally, they open up partially just for us with a limited menu, no bar, just beer or wine… Lots of college folks given jobs, learning while earning… They resorted to takeout only, during the worst of the Covid times, now back to full house most nights…
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No, this is not the “fake meat” stuff, this is actual meat, grown “outside” an animal, in a lab from cultured cells. It is fed nutrients and such, but “fake meat” is a concoction of different plants to bring certain textures and “mouth” and flavor into the final product. “Artificially grown meat” is entirely different. It’s actual meat.
Not to interrupt the side discussion on “woke”, of course.
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