He has been talking about that a long time. Other reports flesh out the rantings some: the USians sent to the gulag would have been convicted of crimes, using normal legal due process, then shipped out, because it’s cheaper to hold them in El Salvador, than in USian prisons.
Steve
Ridiculous quote from SM - “We can’t extradite citizens of foreign countries to our country over the objection of those countries.”
What an incredible show of weakness from the US administration. Weak! TFG doesn’t even have the power to correct a mistake that his administration admitted to. Weak!
How the heck are we going to take Greenland, Panama, and Canada with this 
at the helm?
Ah, funny. Sometimes I need emojis in text. Actually, they would help me in real life too #SmilieEmoji 
Wait into Trump’s future terms.
I fully expect that, within the next four years, I will receive a letter from the township clerk saying I need to come to their office and show papers, or my voter registration will be cancelled, and a letter from Social Security saying I need to show my papers or my SS and Medicare benefits will be cancelled.
Steve
Dear Steve,
Very possible. Can’t argue that point.
Dear Steve,
Very possible. Can’t argue that point.
This guy committed the crime of being brown, and not having his papers with him.
ripped from the headlines
Steve
Homegrown Criminals.
This is annoying about Trump. He is intentionally ambiguous. Sometimes to give him wiggle room, and sometimes to flame the libs. This could mean immigrants that were “nice” when they came in, but turned into “bad hombres” after being here (as opposed to being in MS-13 and then coming here). In that context, it is not ominous. But it could mean US citizens. The you have to foresee a scenario where the SCOTUS would obviously say it was unconstitutional and then Trump would ignore them and we have a true constitutional crisis. This is what many people want us to believe, some are actually sincerely concerned.
I was sincerely concerned when I heard the DOJ decided they could call angry parents “domestic terrorist” and setup a snitch line so your could call in your neighbor for yelling at the schoolboard because your son beat they daughter in the pole volt championship.
I was sincerely concerned when I found the FBI was actively coercing Twitter and Facebook (etc) to censor free speech and even facts they did not like.
I was sincerely concerned when I found out the FBI knew the Steele Dossier was fake, but still used it to get a FISA warrant to spy on Trump.
All those were severe threat to democracy. I am concerned when it is happening on either side, but if someone is only concerned when the enemy does it, then that is when we are doomed.
We could bring up and debate past actions, there are many that we could go back and litigate. That is what people like to do, to mitigate what is happening now. It’s the tired old “Whatabout defense” Instead of telling us what concerns you now. You said “then that is when we are doomed.” Yet you didn’t list one concern that you have now. Not one sincerely concerned moment? I don’t think annoyed quite makes it to the point of Sincerely concerned.
So tell us what are you sincerely concerned about right now? What do you see happening that you think is very concerning?
I think not.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has awarded Palantir a $30 million contract to build an immigration OS surveillance platform. Once operational, that platform will provide the agency with “near real-time visibility” on people self-deporting from the United States and will also help ICE choose who to deport, according to a contract justification [published in a federal register]
The Steele Dossier was concerning, but let’s not pretend it was the only evidence available, and that other evidence was solid.
But let’s also not go down the path of whataboutism. Because any reasonable person should be able to tell that, even though nearly all politicians are corrupt to some degree or another, Trump is an order of magnitude beyond, and that matters, and that is important.
Name me any other politician that tried to overthrow an election they lost. Or pardoned those who helped him try to do it.
You think the deportation push is primarily cover to give contracts to cronies? Nah. The government can make orders of magnitude more than a paltry $30M vanish with nothing to show for it.
Steve
Perhaps that is all that is needed to target illegals. I have noticed the frequency of students on visas that have protested again Israel have been frog marched off campus and jailed while waiting for deportation. I guess there is an Israel exception to free speech.
And liquid…just kidding. There’s absolutely very little evidence to suggest his penchant for all things golden extends to the type of shower he prefers.
Nice passive aggressive post!
Just to make sure we’re on the same page - I don’t think it’s out of line for the DOJ to investigate death threats to school board members, judges, politicians, etc. I’m against those kinds of shenanigans no matter the political affiliation of the threatening person. Would you agree?
A Homegrown Criminal could be lots of things, as you correctly pointed out. I find it less annoying and more…what’s the word I’m looking for…terrifying! I guess I’m one of those actually sincerely concerned citizens. I suppose I’m not the only one - here’s a conservative judge’s take on the slippery slope we find ourselves upon:
“The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.”
" The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home?* And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive’s obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” would lose its meaning. U.S. CONST. art. II, § 3; see also id . art. II, § 1, cl. 8."
The due process was provided by courts years ago. They ruled that Abrego Garcia could be deported, but not to El Salvador. So, it is concerning to me that the administration deported him there. If he had been deported to Guatemala, then the court order would not have been violated and his full due process would have been given.
There is a spectrum of due process. If a would-be immigrant is apprehended at the border, she can be turned away (deported) immediately. They don’t have a right to a trail so show it was ok for them to come into the country.
If you are a legal resident, you have a right to a civil due process. This due process is the State Department deciding it is time for you to go. You don’t have a right to a trial.
If you are on a student visa, the State Department can revoke that visa, you don’t get a trial by jury. On a side note, I would like to see Trump say that if China is caught one more time hacking or stealing IP data from a US company or our government, then all student visas for Chinese nationals will be revoked.
If you are an immigrant that was let in on parole, then you also have limited rights to a due process. And you better show up on your assigned hearing date.
If you are a US citizen, then you have a right to the full due process guaranteed by the constitution and the laws of our country.
I believe Abrigo Garcia was given the “right” to not be deported to El Salvador, but nothing more. I am not a lawyer. Perhaps some constitutional lawyers could weigh in.
So, it would be fair for him to come back and be transferred to another country that will take him. Or, they could judge-shop like the democrats did and take him before a judge in Texas and see if that judge thinks his claim is still valid. To wit, he can’t go to El Salvador because a RIVAL GANG wants to kill him. But in that prison, there are a ton of MS-13 members that will protect him against a ton of the Barrio gang members. So, he has no need to be in fear. This happens in US prisons all the time. You get tossed in and you either join the “gang” that will protect you, or you get shanked. I will agree to this, if you put one of the crypts into a prison full of bloods he will be killed. But if the gangs are balanced, he has no more fear from a rival gang than any other prisoner. Are we to say that ALL MS-13 members get to say they fear being killed by a rival gang if they go back? Can anyone being deported just say they will be killed, so they have to stay here. We know the cartels told everyone exactly what to say to claim asylum when they turned themselves over at the border. We know there was a record percentage of people claiming asylum and therefore we know the vast majority were lying.
There was no due process when these people asked to come into this country. They were rubber stamped and put on “parole” without regard to the legitimacy of their claim or even a common sense evaluation.
Let me ask you this: if an immigrant was put on parole and told to show up for an asylum hear, but never shows up, then haven’t they abdicated their right to further due process (I am not saying that is the case with Abrego Garcia)
[I am out of time and will try to answer some other posts tomorrow, sorry about that]
No. They granted a withholding of removal in 2019. His removal is illegal, period, and not just to El Salvador. SCOTUS made this very clear. It’s also worth noting about three-fourths of the people sent there have no criminal record as well.
The Trump administration is digging in their heels for one reason: to see how much they can get away with. There is zero legal basis for what they are doing.
Also people that are on American soil are provided the full protection of the United States constitution. There are not levels of protection under the United States Constitution. For instance someone can not have limited rights to due process. Everyone has full rights to due process. That was all ended when they got rid of the 3/5th rule. Now everyone is supposedly a full person.
I am starting to realize why we are where we are. So many people do not understand the Constitution, and you can’t even try to help them to understand it.
He wasn’t deported. He was sent to the worst prison in the western hemisphere. Incarcerated, jailed, in the clink. What was his crime? He hasn’t been charged with a crime, just sent to rot in a prison, without due process.
Instead of arguing that he has nothing to fear, maybe we should start by asking - Why is he in prison?
There’s little evidence to suggest that he’s an MS-13 gang member. It’s been reported that he came to the US after his mother refused to be extorted by a gang. After she refused, the whole family was threatened.
For those who continue to believe that Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 gang member - please understand that the government’s process to identify suspected gang members is not reliable. It’s about as accurate as playing Cooty Catcher, with all outcomes leading to CECOT.
Sounds like your an expert on prison gangs. Did you know the vast majority of those sent to CECOT had no criminal record, no confirmed gang affiliation, and were simply labeled as such, without any due process to prove they’re not gang members? Bulls hat? Check. Tattoos? Check. Lock him up.
I don’t know, I’d leave that decision up to the immigration judge. It’s precisely their job to make decisions like this, but only if due process is provided.
Let me ask you this - how do you sleep at night?
TIG has said that providing due process would take too long, and cost too much, so he’s going to bypass it.
Steve
And for the love of all that is good in the world WHERE ARE THE CONSERVATIVES WHO KEPT SAYING WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION ALL THESE YEARS?
