Too Late.
They have guys that achieved records due to steroids in the Hall of Fame.
The ban should have been lifted earlier IMO.
3 Likes
His was a betting problem not a steroid problem, but I think the ban should have been lifted earlier to. It’s a shame he is dead and now they lift it.
He still has to be voted in. I wonder if…
Betting on your team to win or off the field activities like murder or child sex abuse shouldn’t be a bar to the Hall of Fame – just actual cheating on the baseball field, like steroids.
Even the Nobel Prize people won’t claw back an award if they later find a recipient is a scoundrel.
intercst
I disagree. A lifetime ban should be exactly that. The steroid matter is different. The worst offenders have not been voted in (Bonds, Clemens, and so on), but the practice was so widespread that is near impossible to exclude everyone.
3 Likes
That doesn’t sound logical. How can you lifetime ban some and not the others? I mean you can do it but then it takes away from the game. At least with gambling the person didn’t enhance his performance. I think after a certain amount of time you would have to forgive them. But anyone taking enhancing drugs should be banned for life and I don’t care if it is everyone.
1 Like
Johnny Bench, in an interview, years ago, words to the effect: “he knew the rules. he broke the rules. end of story”.
But, this is Shiny-land. Rules and laws don’t matter. It’s all about the show.
Steve
1 Like
It’s just too difficult to know all of the players that used drugs. The “Greenies” Era was plagued by amphetamines. Even Willie Mayes was accused of using “Red Juice”. When Darryl Strawberry would say “Gimme just one more hit”, nobody really knew what he was referring to…
Maybe it’s not fair to the dude with a lifetime ERA of 11.22 who played it straight. Oh well, it’s just a game.
1 Like
Well the ones they don’t catch make it through, that is life, but I was assuming we were talking about the ones they caught.
Police departments don’t solve every murder, in a timely fashion. Is that a reason to give every murderer a free pass?
Steve
1 Like
They weren’t testing the same, so of course not everyone was caught.
Whoa. We’re talking about baseball players using drugs to help their teams win. Not wanting to give anyone a free pass, just acknowledging that drug use in the big leagues has always been a thing. Amphetamines, steroids, HGH…it’s all the same.
Doesn’t matter thems are the cards they played. You take your chances and you take your lumps.
Do we have laws and regs, in this country, or not? The present regime has a legitimate point about illegal immigrants. But Pete Rose, and Jan 6 rioters, get a free pass. Where is the “justice” in that?
Steve
1 Like
So you think Pete got a free pass? He is dead. I don’t think there is anymore finality than that.
3 Likes
"[quote=“buynholdisdead, post:2, topic:118245”]
It’s a shame he is dead and now they lift it.
[/quote]
Rose and probably Tony Gwinn were the best contact hitters I ever watched. I always thought he’d get in posthumously.
I heard sports radio great Dan Patrick tell a story about how Pete could have settled this with Bud Selig, but Pete would not admit wrongdoing ( at the time ), and Selig held a grudge. Getting elected to the HOF is a big deal financially, every ball or card a HOFer signs is worth more than memorabilia signed by a non Hall of Famer. Selig was determined that Pete would not benefit from his career greatness.
4 Likes
No we do not. Money talks and gangstas walk.
Here’s a compromise, abolish the Hall of Fame and hold players accountable for criminal acts. Let history be their judge.
There’s not a Presidential Hall of Fame, no Hall of Fame for scientists.
We’ve got bigger fish to fry than worry about who should be inducted into the Hall of Fame for any sport.
3 Likes
Dock Ellis accomplished one of the greatest feats in professional sports, throwing a no-hitter while under the influence of LSD.
“I was zeroed in on the glove, but I didn’t hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters, and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn’t. Sometimes, I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn’t hit hard and never reached me.”
2 Likes
I saw Pete and an event. He was signing memorabilia but your right it wasn’t the same. What a shame because when he played for the Reds they had a hell of a team.
2 Likes
that is quite the story ! On LSD and on an MLB mound, he’s lucky he didn’t get a line drive ripped right back at him, he probably would have seen 3 balls, lol.
1 Like
No question, the Big Red Machine might have been the best team I ever watched. Stacked lineup. Sparky left them ( don’t remember if he got canned ) and came to the Tigers. The 1984 Tigers team was my all time favorite baseball team. But they did not have the same talent up and down the lineup as the Big Red Machine had ( but maybe better pitching )
2 Likes