Vitamin D strong protection vs. CV-19

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-offers-strongest…

Vitamin D provides strong protection against Covid-19. The vitamin has such a strong impact on disease severity that researchers can predict how sick people get if infected based on nothing more than their ages and vitamin D levels.
This research was done before vaccines were widely available. An Italian group was the first to report the correlation in 2020.

Many Americans as well as Israelis are deficient in Vitamin D.

I take 5,000 I.U. of Vitamin D on any day when I’m not sitting in the sun with plenty of skin exposed. (From October - June.) This gives me a measured blood concentration of 45 micrograms/ml.

See www.grassrootshealth.net for more on adequate Vitamin D levels.

Wendy

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I take 5,000 I.U. of Vitamin D on any day when I’m not sitting in the sun with plenty of skin exposed. (From October - June.) This gives me a measured blood concentration of 45 micrograms/ml.

I think you mean 45 ng/mL. 45 micrograms/mL equates to 45,000 ng/mL. Given that the top of the normal range is 80 ng/mL or 100 ng/mL (depending on whose figures you go by), I don’t think you want to go there.

That said, I think you should increase your dosage. My target level is 60 to 80 ng/mL, the upper part of the normal range.

The general assumption is that each additional 1000 IUs per day translates into an additional 10 ng/mL. So 7000 IUs per day would bring you to 65 ng/mL, and 8000 IUs per day would bring you to 75 ng/mL. Assuming that each softgel has 5000 IUs, you could take one softgel on 3 days of the week and two softgels on 4 days of the week. That averages out to around 7900 IUs per day and should bring you up to 70 to 75 ng/mL.

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I cannot understand why Vitamin D gets so little attention in the mainstream media. Even horse dewormer and fish tank cleaner got more attention.

My Vitamin D supplementation is IN ADDITION TO vaccination/booster, masking up, and physical distancing. We all need as many layers of protection as possible.

The health risks of Vitamin D deficiency go far beyond COVID-19. I’m taking Vitamin D daily for the rest of my life.

I take 5,000 I.U. of Vitamin D on any day when I’m not sitting in the sun with plenty of skin exposed. (From October - June.)

Wendy, you should take Vitamin D supplements all year round. Relying on the sun for your Vitamin D means having to thread the needle between too little and too much sun exposure. I find it easier to just take my Vitamin D through the summer (something that the pandemic prompted me to do) and then take reasonable precautions to avoid sunburn and skin cancer.

<I think you mean 45 ng/mL. 45 micrograms/mL equates to 45,000 ng/mL.>

Of course, you are correct. Thank you! (How embarrassing)
Wendy

Kaiser says the following on Vitamin D:

When taken by mouth: Vitamin D is likely safe when taken in recommended amounts. Most people don’t experience side effects with vitamin D, unless too much is taken. Some side effects of taking too much vitamin D include weakness, dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, and others. Taking vitamin D for long periods of time in doses higher than 4000 IU (100 mcg) daily is possibly unsafe and may cause very high levels of calcium in the blood.

Jaak

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DopplerValueI’m taking Vitamin D daily for the rest of my life.

Thanks for the warning, I’m putting you on ignore for the rest of your life.

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I also would not take more than 4000 IU per day absent blood tests and doctor’s advice and counsel.

I was fortunate enough to have a doctor who ordered a fairly extensive range of blood tests before my annual physicals. When my D came in at upper 20’s he put me on ‘one IU with food.’ When it remained stubbornly low the following year he quizzed me on my consistency in following his prescription as well as what food accompanied my Vitamin D. Then I took 2 IU per day plus I made sure I added peanut butter or whole milk Greek yogurt to my oatmeal which I took with my Vitamin D. Then I tested in the lower 50’s which my doctor seemed acceptable.

I would be guided by my blood test results and doctor’s supervision rather than random megadoses.

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Taking vitamin D for long periods of time in doses higher than 4000 IU (100 mcg) daily is possibly unsafe and may cause very high levels of calcium in the blood.

Unless of course you are taking vitamin K2, whose role is to assist the transport of calcium from the soft tissue/blood to the bones.

The body is a complicated thing and you can not look at changing one thing in isolation of others.

IP

<When my D came in at upper 20’s he put me on ‘one IU with food.’ >

I would be guided by my blood test results and doctor’s supervision rather than random megadoses.

Megadoses without blood tests and doctor’s guidance would be beyond stupid, but surely you meant 1,000IUs? Even a daily vitamin comes with something like 200 IUs.

IP

I cannot understand why Vitamin D gets so little attention in the mainstream media.

Because answers with old remedies don’t create headlines. Just like an early treatment for COVID called ICAM (Immuno support - Vit. C and Zinc; Corticosteroids; Anticoagulants; Macrolide antibiotics for potential concurrent bacterial infections) was brushed aside in the rush for a vaccine. Cost pennies with little downside other than needing early treatment.

https://bgr.com/science/coronavirus-cure-icam-protocol-flori…

As far as Vit D. To create your own through sun exposure you would basically have to live near the equator and run around naked 24/7. It is best to be tested and adjust either your diet or supplement intake accordingly. If you take a supplement, best taken with a fatty meal. I thought I wouldn’t be low because I eat a well rounded diet but was low. Wound up needing 5000 daily to get in normal range.

JLC

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As far as Vit D. To create your own through sun exposure you would basically have to live near the equator and run around naked 24/7

Opinions seem to differ.

My primary care doctor said 20 minutes a day in gentle sunlight (London is 52 degrees N of the equator) in a short sleeve shirt is enough … at least for those indigenous to that latitude …

As a non-USian I feel you guys take to pharma-produced medication too enthusiastically.

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As a non-USian I feel you guys take to pharma-produced medication too enthusiastically.

Chuckle, careful MrP, you could get attacked by Vitamin D crazed zombies addicted to the billions in advertising intended to keep them suppressed and lined up at the drug store counter credit card in hand?

I’ve lived lots of years in northerly countries and rarely felt the need for Vitamins other than what came with fruit bought at the grocery store. I’m 74 years old 178 cm tall and weigh just under 80 kg. I occasionally chew a Vit C 500 mg when wife puts it in front of me at breakfast. They are rather large but somehow me chewing them makes her happy?

We do buy a lot of fruit and salad and I’ve heard tomatoes are good?

Anymouse <wasn’t planning to live forever anyway>

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As a non-USian I feel you guys take to pharma-produced medication too enthusiastically.

Mr P,

Boy is that an understatement. Some folks know so much why bother seeing a doctor? Or more aptly they over doctor shop and get a doctor that is really poor quality but agrees with them.

The reason for this is that many people are scared they will die. Yes it is true…they will die eventually. Their actions are totally crazy in the meantime. I do have some sympathy they are deeply worried, but every message board is an opportunity for misinformation and agreement.

Hence our unvaccinated/death rate. Some might object but it is the same problem just a different pill to pop.

“As a non-USian I feel you guys take to pharma-produced medication too enthusiastically.”

As a life long USian, I agree with you. My doctor told me to take a multivitamin, and an
omega-3 supplement, so I follow her advice. That’s all of the pills I take.

My brother in law recently told me that he got off of 5 different medications, by losing
35 pounds and exercising daily. He looks like a different person, in a better way.

I think it was Hippocrates who said "let food be thy medicine ". Words to live by.

(People with medical conditions definitely need to take pharma products, and that is not due
to any fault of their own, and healthy eating and exercise will not solve their issues, so
I don’t mean to chide anybody in that situation )

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Opinions seem to differ.

My primary care doctor said 20 minutes a day in gentle sunlight (London is 52 degrees N of the equator) in a short sleeve shirt is enough … at least for those indigenous to that latitude …

And no doubt your doctor has ordered blood tests to make sure you have optimal vitamin D levels?

As I’ve posted before, we play outdoor sports just about 3 hours per day. I tend to be wearing a tank top if above 70F. Additionally, I have a pool that I use daily in the summer, typically without sunscreen. (Yes, sunscreen would be better.) I also go for 4 hour long kayak trips when ever possible, (which is often, because we live on a lake, with a vacation home on a river,) again, avoiding sunscreen when I can. I hate the stuff and don’t burn. Yet when I got my levels of D tested, they were far from optimal. Not scurvy level, but far from optimal.

As a non-USian I feel you guys take to pharma-produced medication too enthusiastically.

My supplementation costs pennies a day. About a nickel per day in fact for 2000 IUs, when not on sale. For optimal health, I am ok with paying for that. I could try to eat more sardines or swill down cod liver oil, but much more expensive, not to mention, yuck.

I don’t see your problem, unless it’s ignorance of the facts.

IP

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As a life long USian, I agree with you. My doctor told me to take a multivitamin, and an
omega-3 supplement, so I follow her advice. That’s all of the pills I take.

Doctors get maybe a 1 hour lecture in nutrition during med school. They tend to be woefully ignorant of nutrition alternatives to meds.

I had a problem with my big toe cramping endlessly, to the point where it caused joint damage and left me with arthritis. Not great for someone as active as I am, but I was resigned to having inherited Dad’s cramping and arthritis. 4 years ago I went to a highly recommended orthopedic surgeon at a very respected hospital, who told me no surgery at this time but the only thing I could do about it is to minimize use and put a metal plate in my shoe. Again, not great for an active person. So being a research chemist with an interest in nutrition, (food/supplements are chemicals after all,) I hit google. End result is that I take 4 200mg pills of Mg Citrate, split up over 4 times a day, and the cramping has disappeared. (The Magnesium Miracle is a great book to pick up if anyone is interested in well done research. About $13 on Amazon.)

I think it was Hippocrates who said "let food be thy medicine ". Words to live by.

I had inherited something from Dad, but I suspect it is difficulty in absorbing Mg, not the resulting arthritis from not treating the Mg deficiency. With our low carb diet, we eat a ton of high Mg foods. I should not have been deficient based on the foods we consume. However, our soils are not mineral rich as they were in Hippocrates time and the foods that are supposedly high in these minerals are often without.

My brother in law recently told me that he got off of 5 different medications, by losing
35 pounds and exercising daily. He looks like a different person, in a better way.

I am a HUGE believer in fixing the root cause of a problem instead of just medicating the symptoms. One does that by healing the body, not by assuming that the pharma sales reps are pushing gospel truth and treating symptoms of meds with more meds. Because of the way we eat, I take no meds besides supplements. DH, a type 1 diabetic since a teen has lowered his insulin requirements hugely, cut back his blood pressure meds a good deal, and no longer takes statins since I debated with his cardiologist about the need to look at more than total cholesterol when prescribing statins. Yeah, was way more complicated than that, involving a series of tests, including blood lipids panel with and without differentiation as well as a calcium score and other physical tests, but worth the effort. When you have an Triglyceride/HDL ratio of 0.6, it really doesn’t matter if your total cholesterol is 212. Same goes for his HDL/tot ratio of 0.34, which is well over the low risk ratio of 0.24 or the danger ratio of 0.1

A couple of links for your perusal on lipids if curious: https://www.cooperinstitute.org/2017/11/28/cardiorespiratory…

https://www.journal-advocate.com/2012/02/27/the-importance-o….

It is precisely to minimize/eliminate pharma from our lives that we supplement and eat correctly, not because we “take to pharma-produced medication too enthusiastically.”

The Great Cholesterol Myth is another decent, relatively easy to read book on this subject.

To bring this back to a macro subject, we could greatly lower our expenses on doctors and medication, even after including the cost of supplements, by paying more attention to the foods/supplements/exercise we do. DH has been told by his endocrinologist that he is the healthiest long term diabetic he has ever seen. His body can simply no longer make insulin, but the rest of him works exceptionally well.

IP

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Some of you are skeptical of the need for Vitamin D supplementation. The evidence in favor of Vitamin D has been growing. I’m NOT saying that Vitamin D is a panacea for everything or that it completely stops COVID-19. I’m NOT saying that Vitamin D is an acceptable substitute for vaccinations/boosters, face masks, or physical distancing. I’m just saying that not taking Vitamin D is a higher risk than taking a daily dose of 2000 to 4000 IUs.

Over 200 doctors have signed a letter calling for the use of Vitamin D to fight the pandemic. Check it out at https://vitamindforall.org/letter.html . Note that all these doctors have a general recommendation of 2000 to 4000 IUs per day.

In the entire history of the world, NOBODY has ever overdosed from 2000 to 4000 IUs per day. Vitamin D toxicity involves tens of thousands of IUs per day for months or years. So if you don’t know what your blood Vitamin D level is, it should be a no-brainer to take 2000 to 4000 IUs per day. The official Tolerable Upper Intake is 4000 IUs per day. (And that’s set very conservatively.)

Some people need considerably more. The doctors who are taking more than 4000 IUs of Vitamin D per day know that they are part of this group as a result of getting tested. Everyone should get tested for Vitamin D at some point. Without testing, there’s no way to know if you’re among those who need considerably more than 4000 IUs per day.

Former US Surgeon General Richard Carmona is among those advocating for universal Vitamin D supplementation. His letter is at https://vitamindforall.org/Carmona_letter_preamble.pdf .

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End result is that I take 4 200mg pills of Mg Citrate, split up over 4 times a day, and the cramping has disappeared. (The Magnesium Miracle is a great book to pick up if anyone is interested in well done research. About $13 on Amazon.)

I thought the magnesium thing was well known at this point already. I also “take” some potassium in the form of potassium chloride every day … basically instead of using regular salt (sodium chloride), I use a salt that is half sodium chloride and half potassium chloride. Tastes almost the same.

I do not take any medications. Not even aspirin or tylenol. I might take a pill at most once every year or two for severe pain or headache while I need to be fully functional. Otherwise, if I don’t feel good, I just take a nap, and that usually cures it. And if it doesn’t, well, then I take another nap. If a doctor detects an infection and prescribes antibiotics, of course, I take them, and I take the full course, but that happen very very rarely.

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I thought the magnesium thing was well known at this point already.

Surprisingly not.

Magnesium is needed for more than 300 biochemical reactions in the body. It helps to maintain normal nerve and muscle function, supports a healthy immune system, keeps the heartbeat steady, and helps bones remain strong. It also helps adjust blood glucose levels.

However, taking magnesium supplements is not currently advised.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002423.htm#:~:text=Magn….

The heart will take what it needs, and all other biochemical reactions do without if none left over. As I said before, The Magnesium Miracle is a book worth reading. It helps you figure out how to safely supplement with and correctly test for Mg levels. (Serum Mg levels are useless for determining deficiency and RBC Mg levels will tell you your status.)

IP

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