An Israel-Iran ceasefire?

Steve,

Could you slow down and explain all of that is detail a younger person could understand? I have no clue what any of that means.

I do not expect to understand or see Trump’s beach resort.

Who is Ron Unz? Not someone I would be listening to. If he can’t even admit there was a Holocaust, how can you believe anything he says? In order to have a discussion we have to at least have a basis of understanding. Admitting there was a Holocaust is one of them and so is the earth being round.

Unz, however, is better known for his role as a conservative activist mired in controversy. A former Silicon Valley tech entrepreneur, he has donated to VDARE — an organization that he called “quasi-white nationalist” — and extremism watchdog organizations have criticized Unz’s personal writings as antisemitic.

Unz did not dispute the accusations of antisemitism in an interview with The Crimson, and he has previously defended his donations and endorsements to the Boston Globe.

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Yeah, sounds like stupidity.

From the first son-in-law, last year:

“It’s a little bit of an unfortunate situation there, but from Israel’s perspective I would do my best to move the people out and then clean it up,” Kushner said. “But I don’t think that Israel has stated that they don’t want the people to move back there afterwards.”

himself Gaza could be “the Riviera of the Middle East”

Steve

It is like you are trying to take lying seriously.

Or The Apprentice as a serious business education to prepare you for the future.

Seems that, if a person in a position to make it happen, advocates ethnic cleansing, seizing land, and exploiting it for personal profit, it would be narrow minded to dismiss the possibility they are serious.

Steve

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Nah it is opened minded to the Bullet Headed Saxon Mother’s Son. The joker has a sense of humor.

He is laughing at us for taking everything so serious. He preempts us. We dig up dirt he already has had a laugh about with the faithful and the press.

Who knows what the clowns will do. But resorts on the Gazan beaches is not one of them. Common sense. If he has any.

We need to stop complaining only. We need to own ideas on the economy that are indisputably better than his. Not defend the status quo but construct a better ideology to put into action.

E M wants colonies on Mars. How’s it feel to want? It won’t happen. Not for over 100 years.

He is the editor of UNZ.com that conservative anti war folk submit articles.
The piece I linked was written by Mike Whitney, a journalist. he has articles at Unz & Peace & Planey News.org, Research.ca & Muckrake.com.

It is obvious, to me anyway, that Israel had bitten off more than they can chew. Otherwise the assault upon Iran would have continued as Gaza & Lebanon offensives still continue. Air superiority did not result in stopping Iranian counterstrikes.

Israel requires action from the USA to remove the perceived threat of Iran. The Monday meeting between the leaders of Israel & USA will determine the path forward.

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That is the other possible outcome of next week’s meeting, given that various assessments of the damage done to their program amounts to a delay, ranging form a couple months, to a couple years. The realization that Iran cannot be bombed out of nuclear ambition, and the presumption is Iran cannot be trusted to abide by a treaty, so that leaves “regime change”. Notice the former Shah’s spawn has emerged from the woodwork, ready to be a well paid lapdog of the west.

Steve

Yes Israel can not topple Iran take Iran or conquer Iran.

But Iran’s government can not afford to come under more pressure from Israel. The Iranian public will stop supporting them. Everyone runs to war waving a flag but then reality sets in and people blame their governments.

The Iranian government has a choice between negotiating to no nukes with the US or being toppled in an uprising supported by the US.

It would be a huge gain for the Arabs if Iran’s government was gone. Truly instead of holding signs saying let’s vote or whatever Arabs around the Middle East have been armed by Iran and Russia and fought endlessly. There are millions dead. Russia being worse than Iran but they are in partnership.

Israel is only a bit player. SA and others appreciate Israel right now on several levels.

The Gazans and West Bank would have negotiated if they were allowed to vote for their leadership. Hamas and the PA have been deeply unpopular for over a decade now. Both are obstacles to the Palestinians moving towards a negotiated peace. Neither of them are even large minorities of the public.

The other Arab groups have heard Hamas and the PA refuse to work with Israel. While bigots here do not know that or see what it means, it is not lost on the Arabs that the Palestinians are not allowed by their leadership to work things out.

People around the world are reasonable. Hamas and the PA are not.

Bibi has been elected a lot of times over. That is not because Jews are unreasonable. Hamas declared war in 2006 and there have been border raids since.

If you want unreasonable imagine any European group’s response to border raids. Sheesh

Missiles have been launched into Israel since 2006.

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Please, if the United States could have toppled the Iranian government it would have been done already. Next you will be telling me they will welcome us with open arms and they want only to have a democracy.

That is what the US public is being fed.

Steve

The Shah was placed by the US. The US weakened and this government toppled the Shah.

The Iranian people will see a few more twists and turns.

Andy,

You are not the first person with no faith to have a bad outlook only to be pleasantly surprised in life. :rofl:

I have a good outlook on life, don’t take my skepticism of your prognostication skills into be a bad outlook. If you were right more than a coin flip than I would start believing. :joy: :joy:

Why would it be done already? Explain yourself.

Same as if the US could have toppled the Cuban regime, they would have, long ago.

Steve

Cuba and Russia did not put nukes on the island. That is the point.

Iran only has to worry if nukes are being built.

Iran says they are not building bombs. Every international agency says there is no evidence they have a bomb program, but, like #43, wrt Iraq, the US regime says they are hiding their program.

Steve

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