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Not accurate. As noted in the link upthread, there are about 3 million Palestinians in Jordan, give or take.
In addition to being wrong, if you’re stretching the “denominator” population of Palestinians so broadly, what actually is your point? The fact that people of Palestinian descent in Jordan - or in the United States or Chile - have rights under those political systems doesn’t really affect the geopolitics of Israel’s actions towards the Palestinian populations in the areas under their control. People of Palestinian descent in the United States have rights and freedom “with Israel” not because of anything Israel is doing or not doing, but because of the political system of the United States - so their treatment by the US is not going to affect their assessment of actions by the Israeli government. And the same is true of Jordan.
The reason the Palestinian conflict is so bitter is because of the situation experienced by the overwhelming majority of Palestinians that live in the areas that are under Israeli control or who are refugees in areas where they are not given citizenship. Claiming that 60% of Palestinians have right and freedoms with Israel by looking at the global population of all people of Palestinian descent, rather than looking at the people who currently or recently lived in the geographic area that was the Palestinian mandate, doesn’t inform you of why the conflict is ongoing.
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Those are refugees
Jordanian citizens 6 million of Palestinian ancestry
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Approximately 50 to 60 percent of Jordan’s population is of Palestinian descent, according to The Times of Israel. This includes a significant number of individuals who trace their roots to areas west of the River Jordan, including the West Bank, Gaza, and what is now Israel. Many of these individuals also hold Jordanian citizenship.
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Approximately 634,182 Palestinians in Jordan do not possess Jordanian citizenship, according to a 2016 national census. A significant portion of these individuals are from the Gaza Strip. They are excluded from some rights and services enjoyed by Jordanian citizens, and are among the most destitute communities in Jordan.
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Mar 7, 2024 — Over 2 million Palestinian refugees currently live in Jordan in indefinite exile, tens of thousands without citizenship in any country.
Oct 6, 2024 — More than 600,000 Palestinians in Jordan still do not have citizenship, the majority of them having been registered arriving from the Gaza …
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Nov 21, 2023 — The 1948 war resulted in a tripling of Jordan’s population, from about 430,000 to 1.2 million, with the addition of Palestinian refugees and …
Feb 1, 2010 — More than half of the 6.3 million population of Jordan is of Palestinian origin-that is, from areas west of the River Jordan, including the West …
Apr 22, 2025 — Since 1988, Jordan has gradually withdrawn citizenship from some of its Palestinian-origin citizens, leaving many effectively stateless.
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Mar 20, 2025 — In Jordan, the 2,5 million Palestine refugees who are registered with UNRWA enjoy broad inclusion in social and economic life.
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So what? That has no bearing on how the actions or policies of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians that are affected by their actions is going to be regarded. There are more than 25 million U.S. citizens that are “of British ancestry,” but no one would regard that as relevant in assessing how the current British government treats the British.
The overwhelming majority of Palestinians (not people “of Palestinian ancestry” who are full citizens of other countries) lack freedoms and rights under the Israeli political and legal systems. And that’s why the conflict is ongoing and so bloody. The fact that there are a lot of people “of Palestinian ancestry” in other countries is not relevant to that.
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Not true
The Palestinians work closely with the Israelis in many ways.
Hamas and the PA do not
The tribes in the affected areas are protesting Hamas
Again, I think your problem is your use of the phrase “the Palestinians” to include a whole lot of people that aren’t especially relevant to the situation. “Jordanians of Palestinian descent,” or diasporic Palestinians living in Chile, or whomever, aren’t really germane to whether “the Palestinians” are working closely with the Israelis. This gives you a very skewed, and I think a very poor, perspective on what’s driving the ongoing conflict.
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The lack of the Palestinian leadership Hamas and the PA to settle for what they have over the decades means Israel took more and more.
Blame whatever
This happens anywhere humans go.
The Arab assumptions that Israel would be beat was a lie the leaders told out of religious intolerance
It’s not a question of blame. You frequently cite this “60%” statistic in contexts where you are suggesting that there is actually a very large majority of Palestinians that are doing just fine with current Israeli policies - the intimation being that all that’s really necessary is to find a way to get their perspective implemented in the negotiation process. But that’s a fallacy, based on conflating the direct stakeholders in the conflict with all people “of Palestinian descent.”
The reason the conflict persists and is so difficult to resolve is because there actually are massive conflicts between the interests of the Israelis and the Palestinian people whose interests are being directly affected. The fact that there are also several million diasporic people of Palestinian descent in other countries doesn’t change that.
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This is very bad for Israel. They had everyone on their side when it first happened but now the tide is turning. Go ahead and follow Netie down the dark tunnel of history lined with the portraits of people like Idi Amin. When the facts change the tide of opinion changes with it. This is really sad, because Israel is destroying their reputation.
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But in that diaspora are 60% of Palestinians doing well with Israel.
Jews and Palestinians are painted as unable to make it work.
Hamas and the PA have been unwilling to make it work.
But that’s a nonsensical way of looking at it, because many of the people that you’re including in your grouping of “Palestinians” aren’t being directly affected by what Israel is doing. The same way that people don’t include, say, Argentinian Jews in the “Jews” that are having a conflict with Hamas right now.
When people describe the conflict between the Jews and the Palestinians, it is obviously clear from context that they are talking about the Jews and Palestinians that are living within the area of the former Palestinian mandate and the ones that continue to be directly affected by the tensions between the two groups.
The conflict doesn’t exist merely because Hamas and the PA have been unwilling to reach peace. It exists because the Jews that are there and the Palestinians that are there have a lot of very real and very significant incompatible interests, which interests would continue to exist (and which conflict would continue to exist) if Hamas and the PA weren’t there.
The conflict is not caused by direct incompatible interests of global Jewry and the global Palestinian population (although those diasporic populations are very interested in the outcome for all sorts of factors, and do get involved). When people talk about Jews and Palestinians not being able to make it work, they’re not talking about Palestinians and Jews in Chicago having direct interests that are sharply in conflict. They’re talking about the Palestinians in the West Bank with few rights in the Israeli political and legal systems, and the Jews in Haifa or Tel Aviv concerned about being killed or expelled from the region.
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This isn’t a one-sided problem. There are plenty of hard core extreme right Israelis who don’t seem to be in the “can’t we all get along” camp.
There are interests on both sides that are unwilling to make things work.
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That is not true.
It accuses innocent Palestinians in Gaza that aren’t allowed to run their own affairs by Hamas and the PA along with the Israelis.
That is what I don’t like about blaming Israel. Israel has a war that has to be won.
The war was declared in 2006. Hamas did not run on the war in 2005. Hamas is a big problem for the Gazans.
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If in 2006 Mexico declared an endless war on the USA by 2022 how many Americans would be for peace?
The actual percentage of Israelis for peace is pretty high.
None of us live in a war zone. We only have cnn misreporting the war. None of us care much about Yemen Sudan or Syria. Cnn is not reporting much on those conflicts
How is a child Hamas? How is killing a family of children, 9 members in all, putting pressure on Hamas?
Ahh so it’s not that Israel is doing wrong it’s that we are not looking at other conflicts. That is the squirrel argument where people can’t discuss the issue but want to state, well it could be worse. Pathetic.
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You are not discussing the issue.
There are over 100 wars on earth. You don’t care but in passing
And yes we are arming those conflicts
You are trying to deflect the issue. The other wars have nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza. You are trying a tired old Trump device.
What is Israel supposed to do about Hamas?
The same thing they did with the Naziii’s. They didn’t bomb the German population but went after them and put them down. There isn’t any excuse for killing children.