OT:Did the World Become More Dangerous Yesterday?

The kingdom has long had close economic, religious and security ties to Pakistan, including reportedly providing funding for Islamabad’s nuclear weapons program as it developed. Analysts — and Pakistani diplomats in at least one case — have suggested over the years that Saudi Arabia could be included under Islamabad’s nuclear umbrella, particularly as tensions have risen over Iran’s atomic program.

Or could Pakistan sell that technology to Saudi Arabia?

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The force in the Muslim world with western education versus the only Islamic rule for the planet groups.

Saudi Arabia acquired virtually overnight protection beneath the Pakistani nuclear umbrella with the signing of a “strategic defense pact” with Pakistan. The deal also provides cash-strapped Pakistan a respite in what can only be termed a miraculous month for Pak diplomacy. In what is clearly a signal to Israel and the U.S., the Kingdom flexed by notifying the U.S. after the deal was signed.

Mohammed bin Salman once told Lindsay Graham, “I don’t need uranium to make a bomb, I will just buy one from Pakistan.” It has always been an easy play for both Turkey and the Saudis to reach for hard-up Pakistan’s nukes as a backup.

The US was unable to deter Israel from bombing Qatar. The Saudis and maybe the Turks in the future have obtained nuclear deterrence from a different source.

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For a long time Arab-muslim, specifically Saudi’s world wanted to get a nuclear weapon. There were multiple attempts made to purchase from Pakistan, which was stopped by the western world. Now the western leadership is mired in their own chaos, Saudis quietly did this deal with Pakistan. Pakistan is in serious financial crisis, and have already borrowed lots of money from Saudis, but for saudi’s they are just a drop in the bucket. So both sides were able to come together and make a deal.

While, Israel may not be a threat to Saudi’s today, for Saudi’s both Israel and Iran are long-term threats. Separately, much more dangerous extension of this is, Muslim nations in OIC, wanted to have their own NATO, and the seeds of that are planted.

So to answer your question, YES the world became very dangerous place, because US leadership is absent. We are too busy dealing with the domestic terrorism dangers from comedians.

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The failures are never ending.

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Iran = Shia
Saudi Arabia = Sunni
Eternal enemies
Israel is a threat only to those who want to destroy Israel.

The Captain

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It is easy to sit few thousand miles away and say. If you are Israel’s neighbour, you don’t have the luxury to think like that.

Ask the Arabs who live and serve and get elected in Israel.

The Captain

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That means nothing… Israel has coalition governments for a longtime. How much arab political parties able to participate or have any political influence?

Now, Israel has a history of war with its Arab neighbours. If Muslim countries gain significant military advantage over Israel, do you think they will be watching what is going on in Gaza for the last 2 years silently?? No. They are watching it with horror. They know someday, Israel can do that to them.

If you think they are staying silent because they support Israel’s action, that is naivete, they are silent because they don’t want to get dragged into that war, a war they cannot win. That’s the sole reason why they need a strong deterrent against Israel.

Nothing to you, maybe.

Muslims have a history of war with the world since the 622. They want to impose Sharia Law everywhere they go. Europe is already caving.

The Captain

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You are arguing for Israel… that is your prerogative. I am not arguing whether Israel’s actions are right or wrong, I am merely pointing the facts, that why Arab-Muslim world wants to have nuclear capabilities and a NATO of their own.

Your arguing that Israel will not attack is worth nothing to any of their neighbours. They are not going to stop their efforts to gain military power.

Now, you are arguing my main point… Instead of trying to respond to the statements, read the entire posts holistically and if you could respond, that would be awesome.

In anycase, I will stop with this. Discussing Israel is the most unproductive activity in social media. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Pluralism is a plague to some. That said on this small mortal coil where else will peace reside?

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…and more and more, the biggest threat to Israel is Israel itself.

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How so?

You think the bigotry could be less? It does not work that way.

Palestinian babies want to invade Israel?

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That is important, but Palestinian leaders should not declare war and hide with babies.

The bottom line Hamas wants to outnumber the Israelis and take over. Gaza could have been a country since 2006 with elections etc…why not?

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David,

Hyperbole is hot air. We have that in spades across the globe.

I need something meatier. Not a cry in the wilderness. Logic. I need to know what happens to Israel on this course that is different.

Note the French are taking some of the Gazans. You think Gazans will stay for Hamas?

adding I think the French are purposely helping the Israelis in this.

The leaderships won’t agree. It is time one or the other to leave the area. It has happened before.

Israelis and Jews get to be hypocrits. So do you. We are all human. Please do not tell me my morality has to be superior.

The people in power declaring genocide have really low morality going for them.

Heck no I do not think anything so incoherent and ridiculously wishful. In times of war, slaughter and destruction bigotry and rage almost always increases.

I am specifically — but not only — referring to Israel’s intense and ferocious internal divisions, most spectacularly between its largely secular and not particularly pro-Netanyahu military, and its very rapidly increasing population of ultra-conservative(?!) sects that are ferociously pro-war and pro “subsidies for us to study and pray”, AND insisting that their study and prayer is so important that “we cannot fight”. This causes resentment and undercuts solidarity.

And there are more very intense divisions, as you and most on this board are perfectly aware.

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Jews are very individualistic. Yet we pull together solidly for thousands of years.

You are not saying anything revolutionary or new. You are telliing me what I was raised to expect.

I respect the “pulling together” factor as a fact and great strength. Netanyahu ain’t a good gathering point for a pulling together and he has largely preempted any path but his in a very risky way, and with an alienating figure at the center the pulling becomes, uhm, puzzling.

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