OT - The Market?

Please don’t make this a long string - If you have something to say, send it to me, don’t post it.

Not too long ago Saul posted about a long time board member who got scared out of the market last year an as a result lost out on a lot of the gains. I am that member. I might add that not only did I miss out on a lot of gains (I finished the year up just under 100%), I’m also paying a penalty in capital gains tax this year for my folly. Truly an act of stupidity driven by fear. In a nutshell, I felt a worldwide pandemic actually was “different” from anything we’d experienced and I thought the recovery would be a long time in the making. I was wrong.

So I look at my portfolio and it’s down a lot. Today alone with 20 minutes until the market closes I’m down nearly 8.5%. I won’t tell you that is in dollars, but it’s a big number from my point of view.

What’s going on? Why are we taking such a big hit? Interest rates? really?

Our companies are capital lightweights. Most of them have zero debt and a lot of them have a pile of cash. Interest rates are virtually irrelevant. How about their customer? OK, maybe a lot of them are more capital intensive and will be hurt by rising rates. But it seems to me if that’s the case those same customers would want to accelerate digital transformation and the move to the cloud in order to reduce costs and capital demands.

It just seems totally irrational to me - but maybe I’m missing something. I’m not an economist or anything like that. I’m just an investor. And nobody ever said that the market acts rationally, at least not in the near term. So, frustrating as it is to see the erosion in my portfolio, I’ll wait it out. I pointed out to my wife, the last time our portfolio was at this level was last November. But it was rising at that time and we were pretty excited about it.

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I think is a valuable post since it addresses an issue uniquely impacting our growth stocks. I hope it stays up.

Not too long ago Saul posted about a long time board member who got scared out of the market last year an as a result lost out on a lot of the gains. I am that member. I might add that not only did I miss out on a lot of gains (I finished the year up just under 100%), I’m also paying a penalty in capital gains tax this year for my folly. Truly an act of stupidity driven by fear. In a nutshell, I felt a worldwide pandemic actually was “different” from anything we’d experienced and I thought the recovery would be a long time in the making. I was wrong.

I had a similar experience last year, selling some and then quickly buying back with similar results and costs.

So I look at my portfolio and it’s down a lot. Today alone with 20 minutes until the market closes I’m down nearly 8.5%. I won’t tell you that is in dollars, but it’s a big number from my point of view.

My portfolio which is more diversified than many here with some large cap tech and non tech positions was down 5.5% today as well. On top of the decline so far, it is a very large drop.

What’s going on? Why are we taking such a big hit? Interest rates? really?

Our companies are capital lightweights. Most of them have zero debt and a lot of them have a pile of cash. Interest rates are virtually irrelevant. How about their customer? OK, maybe a lot of them are more capital intensive and will be hurt by rising rates. But it seems to me if that’s the case those same customers would want to accelerate digital transformation and the move to the cloud in order to reduce costs and capital demands.

It just seems totally irrational to me - but maybe I’m missing something. I’m not an economist or anything like that. I’m just an investor. And nobody ever said that the market acts rationally, at least not in the near term. So, frustrating as it is to see the erosion in my portfolio, I’ll wait it out. I pointed out to my wife, the last time our portfolio was at this level was last November. But it was rising at that time and we were pretty excited about it.

It does appear that the drop is growth specific with all high growth names getting hammered while the overall market is rising. From what I can gather it’s attributed to the decline in value of future cash flows from anticipated increases in inflation. But this also seems irrational to me. The changes in interest rates have been modest and expert opinion doesn’t seem to expect significant inflation for a long time. All of our top growth stocks posted phenomenal numbers during the recent drop beating expectations and raising guidance. But they’ve continued to drop lower. To the exact date, the steep drops in my top growth stocks seem to exactly mirror the drop in the overall market last year starting on about February 19 and ending about March 23 last year. Maybe this is more due to automated trading and profit taking instead of the above stated reason.

I also find it extremely frustrating. I’ve become used to volatility but it always seems to greatly exceed my expectations.

Dave

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The Market is catching its breath after a twelve month sprint, that’s all!

NASDAQ 5 year semi-log chart: https://softwaretimes.com/pics/comp-03-24-2021.gif

Fixating on a market top is not helpful. I just checked my running 12 month performance, up 38%. What’s not to like?

Denny Schlesinger

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A lot of stock have to fall further by 50-100%.

Okay, now we are getting into the purveyors of total nonsense. Please terminate this OT thread.

Saul

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